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    SubjectRe: [announce] [patch] limiting IRQ load, irq-rewrite-2.4.11-B5

    On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Ben Greear wrote:
    > Will NAPI patch, as it sits today, fix all IRQ lockup problems for
    > all drivers (as Ingo's patch claims to do), or will it just fix
    > drivers (eepro, tulip) that have been integrated with it?

    Note that the big question here is WHO CARES?

    There are two issues, and they are independent:
    (a) handling of network packet flooding nicely
    (b) handling screaming devices nicely.

    First off, some comments:
    (a) is not a major security issue. If you allow untrusted users full
    100/1000Mbps access to your internal network, you have _other_
    security issues, like packet sniffing etc that are much much MUCH
    worse. So the packet flooding thing is very much a corner case, and
    claiming that we have a big problem is silly.

    HOWEVER, (a) _can_ be a performance issue under benchmark load.
    Benchmarks (unlike real life) are almost always set up to have full
    network bandwidth access, and can show this issue.

    (b) is to a large degree due to a stupid driver interface. I've wanted to
    change the IRQ handler functions to return a flag mask for about
    three years, but with hundreds of drivers it's always been a bit too

    Why do we want to return a flag mask? Because we want the _driver_ to
    be able to say "shut me up" (if the driver cannot shut itself up and
    wants to throttle), and we want the _driver_ to be able to say "Hmm,
    that interrupt was not for me", so that the higher levels can quickly
    figure out if we have the case of us having two drivers but three
    devices, and the third device screaming its head off.

    Ingo tries to fix both of these with a sledgehammer. I'd rather use a bit
    more finesse, and as I do not actually agree with the people who seem to
    think that this is a major problem TODAY, I'll be more than happy to have
    people think about it. The NAPI people have thought about it - but it has
    obviously not been descussed _nearly_ widely enough.

    I personally am very nervous about Ingo's approach. I do not believe that
    it will work well over a wide range of machines, and I suspect that the
    "tunables" have been tuned for one load and one machine. I would not be
    surprised if Ingo finds that trying to put the machine under heavy disk
    load with multiple disk controllers might also cause interrupt mitigation,
    which would be unacceptably BAD.


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