Messages in this thread | | | Date | Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:49:27 -0700 (PDT) | From | Casey Schaufler <> | Subject | Re: Some Concrete AppArmor Questions - was Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/11] security: AppArmor - Overview |
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--- Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:
> But this is a temporary situation, until we have the > infrastructure and > tools developed to make MAC truly manageable by > typical end users. Not > an inherent problem.
Oh come on! I've been hearing that saw continueously since 1987. Mandatory MAC (as opposed to targeted MAC) is hard on sysadmins. It will remain so. SELinux, Trusted Solaris, Trusted IRIX, and anyone else are all a pain in the bum and will remain so. Tools are going to help only to a limited extent, they never make all the pain go away. Smarter people than I have been working on the problem for 20 years and I believe that it's safe to say there is no magic wand that will make the problems all go away.
I like MAC. I like the Iron Fist approach to software security. I just don't believe that there's a glove with velvet thick enough to please the masses.
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