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SubjectRe: [PATCH rfc 0/6] Scheduler BPF
On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 05:19:03PM -0700, Hao Luo wrote:
> Hi Roman,
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 3:04 PM Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com> wrote:
> >

Hi Hao!

>
> Thanks for initiating the effort of bringing BPF to sched. I've been
> looking at the potential applications of BPF in sched for some time
> and I'm very excited about this work!
>
> My current focus has been using BPF for profiling performance and
> exporting sched related stats. I think BPF can provide a great help
> there. We have many users in Google that want the kernel to export
> various scheduling metrics to userspace. I think BPF is a good fit for
> such a task. So one of my recent attempts is to use BPF to account for
> the forced idle time caused by core scheduling [1]. This is one of the
> topics I want to discuss in my upcoming LPC BPF talk [2].

I guess for profiling we don't necessarily need a dedicated program type
etc, but it might be convenient, and some helpers can be useful too.

Unfortunately I won't be able to attend your talk, but hopefully I can
see it in a record later. I'm very interested.

>
> Looking forward, I agree that BPF has a great potential in customizing
> policies in the scheduler. It has the advantage of quick
> experimentation and deployment. One of the use cases I'm thinking of
> is to customize load balancing policies. For example, allow using BPF
> to influence whether a task can migrate (can_migrate_task). This is
> currently only an idea.
>
> > Our very first experiments with using BPF in CFS look very promising. We're
> > at a very early stage, however already have seen a nice latency and ~1% RPS
> > wins for our (Facebook's) main web workload.
> >
> > As I know, Google is working on a more radical approach [2]: they aim to move
> > the scheduling code into userspace. It seems that their core motivation is
> > somewhat similar: to make the scheduler changes easier to develop, validate
> > and deploy. Even though their approach is different, they also use BPF for
> > speeding up some hot paths. I think the suggested infrastructure can serve
> > their purpose too.
>
> Yes. Barret can talk more about this, but I think it summarized the
> work of ghOSt [3] and the use of BPF in ghOSt well.

I took a brief look over how you use BPF in ghOSt and I think what I suggest
will work for you as well. I'd appreciate any comments/feedback whether it's
definitely true.

Thank you!

Roman

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