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SubjectRe: [PATCH v10 4/5] arm64: perf: Enable PMU counter userspace access for perf event
Hi Rob,

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 02:24:46PM -0500, Rob Herring wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 11:58 AM Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 03:47:59PM -0500, Rob Herring wrote:
> > For the `config1 = 3` case (potentially) overriding the usual long
> > semantic, I'm struggling to understand why we need that rather than
> > forcing the use of a 64-bit counter, because in that case:
> >
> > * For a CPU_CYCLES event:
> > __armv8_pmuv3_map_event() will always pick 64-bits
> > get_event_idx() may fail to allocate a 64-bit counter.
> >
> > * For other events:
> > __armv8_pmuv3_map_event() will pick 32/64 based on long counter
> > support
> > get_event_idx() will only fail if there are no counters free.
> >
> > Whereas if __armv8_pmuv3_map_event() returned an error for the latter
> > when long counter support is not implemented, we'd have consistent
> > `long` semantics, and the CPU_CYCLES behaviour would be identical.
> >
> > What's the rationale for `3` leaving the choice to the kernel?
>
> It's the give me the maximum sized counter the h/w can support choice.
> That's easier for userspace to implement. Bit 1 is more of a hint that
> the user wants userspace access rather than a requirement.
>
> > If the problem is discoverability, I'd be happy to add something to
> > sysfs to describe whether the PMU has long event support.
>
> Checking sysfs or a try for 64-bit support then fall back to 32-bit
> support isn't much difference.
>
> Keep in mind that x86 always succeeds here. Every userspace user will
> have to add whatever dance we create here. For example, each libperf
> test with user access (there's only 2 in my tree, but there's a series
> adding more) has to have an '#ifdef __aarch64__' for whatever we do
> here. I was seeking to minimize that. Right now, that's just a set
> config1 to 0x3. Also, note that libperf will opportunistically use a
> userspace read instead of read(). The user just has to mmap the event
> and libperf will use a userspace read when enabled which ultimately
> depends on what the mmapped page says.

I think that x86 always succeeding here is more of a legacy thing that
they're stuck with rather than a design to be copied.

I'd prefer to keep the existing meaning of the `long` flag to mean "give
me 64 bits of counter, somehow", with `rdpmc` meaning "give me a single
counter I can access from userspace", even if that means the combination
of the two can sometimes be rejected. As you say, we can probe for that
as necessary by trying `long` then falling back to a plain event, and if
that ends up being a bottleneck somehow we can figure out a way of
advertising support to userspace. Regardless, we should

Importantly, I don't think libperf should override a user's request for
`long`, since the user may want to optimize for minimal perturbation
rather than faster access.

If we want a "please give me the longest counter that's compatible with
other constraints", I think that should be a new flag e.g. `trylong`,
and shouldn't override the existing `long`. We can add that as a
follow-up if we want it.

Thanks,
Mark.

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