Messages in this thread | | | From | Arnd Bergmann <> | Date | Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:44:59 +0100 | Subject | Re: Old platforms: bring out your dead |
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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:02 PM Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:27 AM Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:55 AM David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com> wrote: > > > basically 486 but have a few extra instructions - probably just cpuid > > > and (IIRC) rdtsc. > > > Designed for low power embedded use they won't ever have been suitable > > > for a desktop - but are probably fast enough for some uses. > > > I'm not sure how much keeping 486 support actually costs, 386 was a > > > PITA - but the 486 fixed most of those issues. > > > > Right, we have "last of mohicans" (to date) Intel Quark family of CPUs > > (486 core + few i586 features). > > This is for the embedded world and probably not for powerful use. > > What is the status of PC/104? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC/104 > > I have three GPIO drivers for PC/104 machines and these are for > embedded industrial usecases. I am curious about what CPUs these > beasts run on in practice? Are they getting upgraded?
I had a look at those earlier when trying to find out what the remaining users of CONFIG_ISA are. It turns out that you can still easily get new x86 hardware with PC/104+ (combined ISA and PCI, not PCIe) connectors, see e.g. https://www.versalogic.com/product/SandCat/.
Like the older VMEbus based systems, these would have at least 10 years of hardware availability (sometimes much more) and are indeed designed for use over decades after that.
On the other hand, the set of ISA-style peripherals that you would connect here has little overlap with the those you'd find on a 1990's PC or Unix workstation, and I would expect that a lot of device drivers for them were never submitted for mainline because they are application specific.
We have a couple of ARMv5-generation systems with PC/104 support, added before the start of the git history:
* s3c2410/bast * s3c2410/vr1000 * pxa25x/viper * pxa27x/zeus
I would assume that some of those are still operational somewhere in the world (along with similar machines without mainline support), but none have seen in field kernel updates for years.
There is also ep93xx/ts72xx, which has a PC/104 connector but no Linux support for it. A new version of the board was added in 2017, so there are clearly still users, but they would need add-on patches to use PC/104.
Arnd
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