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SubjectRe: [PATCH v2 0/6] Rework REFCOUNT_FULL using atomic_fetch_* operations
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 09:30:52AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 05:31:58PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > Will Deacon (6):
> > lib/refcount: Define constants for saturation and max refcount values
> > lib/refcount: Ensure integer operands are treated as signed
> > lib/refcount: Remove unused refcount_*_checked() variants
> > lib/refcount: Move bulk of REFCOUNT_FULL implementation into header
> > lib/refcount: Improve performance of generic REFCOUNT_FULL code
> > lib/refcount: Consolidate REFCOUNT_{MAX,SATURATED} definitions
>
> So I'm not a fan; I itch at the whole racy nature of this thing and I
> find the code less than obvious. Yet, I have to agree it is exceedingly
> unlikely the race will ever actually happen, I just don't want to be the
> one having to debug it.

FWIW, I think much the same about the version under arch/x86 ;)

> I've not looked at the implementation much; does it do all the same
> checks the FULL one does? The x86-asm one misses a few iirc, so if this
> is similarly fast but has all the checks, it is in fact better.

Yes, it passes all of the REFCOUNT_* tests in lkdtm [1] so I agree that
it's an improvement over the asm version.

> Can't we make this a default !FULL implementation?

My concern with doing that is I think it would make the FULL implementation
entirely pointless. I can't see anybody using it, and it would only exist
as an academic exercise in handling the theoretical races. That's a change
from the current situation where it genuinely handles cases which the
x86-specific code does not and, judging by the Kconfig text, that's the
only reason for its existence.

Will

[1]

bash-4.4# for t in `grep REFCOUNT DIRECT`; do echo $t > DIRECT; done
[ 439.626480] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_INC_OVERFLOW
[ 439.629352] lkdtm: attempting good refcount_inc() without overflow
[ 439.631335] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_inc() overflow
[ 439.633335] ------------[ cut here ]------------
[ 439.635334] refcount_t: saturated; leaking memory.
[ 439.636364] WARNING: CPU: 12 PID: 177 at ./include/linux/refcount.h:149 refcount_add.part.7+0x13/0x20
[ 439.637329] Modules linked in:
[ 439.637329] CPU: 12 PID: 177 Comm: bash Not tainted 5.3.0-rc3+ #1
[ 439.637329] RIP: 0010:refcount_add.part.7+0x13/0x20
[ 439.637329] Code: 32 a9 ff 48 c7 c7 f0 c1 e5 83 e9 81 32 a9 ff 0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00 00 48 c7 c7 20 39 dd 83 c6 05 00 ad f0 00 01 e8 4d cd a3 ff <0f> 0b c3 66 2e 0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00 00 8b 07 3d ff ff ff 7f 74 21
[ 439.637329] RSP: 0018:ffffb51ec040be40 EFLAGS: 00010286
[ 439.637329] RAX: 0000000000000000 RBX: 0000000000000027 RCX: ffffffff84049418
[ 439.637329] RDX: 0000000000000001 RSI: 0000000000000082 RDI: ffffffff847030ac
[ 439.637329] RBP: ffffffff83e5b35b R08: 000000000009b1c6 R09: 000000000000015c
[ 439.637329] R10: ffffd77ac120fd00 R11: ffffb51ec040bce5 R12: ffff9dca883f4000
[ 439.637329] R13: 0000000000d86408 R14: 0000000000000016 R15: ffffb51ec040bf08
[ 439.637329] FS: 00007f7b86147700(0000) GS:ffff9dca8a400000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
[ 439.637329] CS: 0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033
[ 439.637329] CR2: 0000000000d86408 CR3: 00000000482b6003 CR4: 00000000001606a0
[ 439.637329] Call Trace:
[ 439.637329] lkdtm_REFCOUNT_INC_OVERFLOW+0x16d/0x210
[ 439.637329] direct_entry+0xc5/0x110
[ 439.637329] full_proxy_write+0x4e/0x70
[ 439.637329] vfs_write+0xab/0x190
[ 439.637329] ksys_write+0x57/0xd0
[ 439.637329] do_syscall_64+0x43/0x110
[ 439.637329] entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x44/0xa9
[ 439.637329] RIP: 0033:0x7f7b85836970
[ 439.637329] Code: 73 01 c3 48 8b 0d 28 d5 2b 00 f7 d8 64 89 01 48 83 c8 ff c3 66 0f 1f 44 00 00 83 3d 99 2d 2c 00 00 75 10 b8 01 00 00 00 0f 05 <48> 3d 01 f0 ff ff 73 31 c3 48 83 ec 08 e8 7e 9b 01 00 48 89 04 24
[ 439.637329] RSP: 002b:00007ffc7ad9ae78 EFLAGS: 00000246 ORIG_RAX: 0000000000000001
[ 439.637329] RAX: ffffffffffffffda RBX: 0000000000000016 RCX: 00007f7b85836970
[ 439.637329] RDX: 0000000000000016 RSI: 0000000000d86408 RDI: 0000000000000001
[ 439.637329] RBP: 0000000000d86408 R08: 00007f7b85af6760 R09: 00007f7b86147700
[ 439.637329] R10: 0000000000000073 R11: 0000000000000246 R12: 0000000000000016
[ 439.637329] R13: 0000000000000001 R14: 00007f7b85af5600 R15: 0000000000000016
[ 439.637329] ---[ end trace aedef77d83b518cc ]---
[ 439.676328] lkdtm: Overflow detected: saturated
[ 439.677384] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_ADD_OVERFLOW
[ 439.678326] lkdtm: attempting good refcount_add() without overflow
[ 439.679325] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_add() overflow
[ 439.680325] lkdtm: Overflow detected: saturated
[ 439.681117] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_INC_NOT_ZERO_OVERFLOW
[ 439.682325] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_inc_not_zero() overflow
[ 439.683324] ------------[ cut here ]------------
[ 439.684071] refcount_t: saturated; leaking memory.
[ 439.684340] WARNING: CPU: 12 PID: 177 at ./include/linux/refcount.h:120 lkdtm_REFCOUNT_INC_NOT_ZERO_OVERFLOW+0x88/0xb0
[ 439.685321] Modules linked in:
[ 439.685321] CPU: 12 PID: 177 Comm: bash Tainted: G W 5.3.0-rc3+ #1
[ 439.685321] RIP: 0010:lkdtm_REFCOUNT_INC_NOT_ZERO_OVERFLOW+0x88/0xb0
[ 439.685321] Code: 41 48 83 c4 10 c3 80 3d e5 a7 f0 00 00 c7 44 24 04 00 00 00 c0 75 d0 48 c7 c7 20 39 dd 83 c6 05 cd a7 f0 00 01 e8 18 c8 a3 ff <0f> 0b eb b9 85 c0 89 c2 75 9e 48 c7 c7 50 c4 e5 83 e8 1b 2d a9 ff
[ 439.685321] RSP: 0018:ffffb51ec040be48 EFLAGS: 00010282
[ 439.685321] RAX: 0000000000000000 RBX: 0000000000000029 RCX: ffffffff84049418
[ 439.685321] RDX: 0000000000000001 RSI: 0000000000000096 RDI: ffffffff847030ac
[ 439.685321] RBP: ffffffff83e5aff0 R08: 00000000000a7027 R09: 0000000000000184
[ 439.685321] R10: ffffd77ac120fd00 R11: ffffb51ec040bced R12: ffff9dca883f4000
[ 439.685321] R13: 0000000000d86408 R14: 000000000000001f R15: ffffb51ec040bf08
[ 439.685321] FS: 00007f7b86147700(0000) GS:ffff9dca8a400000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
[ 439.685321] CS: 0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033
[ 439.685321] CR2: 0000000000d88ea4 CR3: 00000000482b6003 CR4: 00000000001606a0
[ 439.685321] Call Trace:
[ 439.685321] direct_entry+0xc5/0x110
[ 439.685321] full_proxy_write+0x4e/0x70
[ 439.685321] vfs_write+0xab/0x190
[ 439.685321] ksys_write+0x57/0xd0
[ 439.685321] do_syscall_64+0x43/0x110
[ 439.685321] entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x44/0xa9
[ 439.685321] RIP: 0033:0x7f7b85836970
[ 439.685321] Code: 73 01 c3 48 8b 0d 28 d5 2b 00 f7 d8 64 89 01 48 83 c8 ff c3 66 0f 1f 44 00 00 83 3d 99 2d 2c 00 00 75 10 b8 01 00 00 00 0f 05 <48> 3d 01 f0 ff ff 73 31 c3 48 83 ec 08 e8 7e 9b 01 00 48 89 04 24
[ 439.685321] RSP: 002b:00007ffc7ad9ae78 EFLAGS: 00000246 ORIG_RAX: 0000000000000001
[ 439.685321] RAX: ffffffffffffffda RBX: 000000000000001f RCX: 00007f7b85836970
[ 439.685321] RDX: 000000000000001f RSI: 0000000000d86408 RDI: 0000000000000001
[ 439.685321] RBP: 0000000000d86408 R08: 00007f7b85af6760 R09: 00007f7b86147700
[ 439.685321] R10: 0000000000000073 R11: 0000000000000246 R12: 000000000000001f
[ 439.685321] R13: 0000000000000001 R14: 00007f7b85af5600 R15: 000000000000001f
[ 439.685321] ---[ end trace aedef77d83b518cd ]---
[ 439.717319] lkdtm: Overflow detected: saturated
[ 439.718352] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_ADD_NOT_ZERO_OVERFLOW
[ 439.719321] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_add_not_zero() overflow
[ 439.720319] lkdtm: Overflow detected: saturated
[ 439.721036] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_DEC_ZERO
[ 439.721319] lkdtm: attempting good refcount_dec()
[ 439.722318] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_dec() to zero
[ 439.723318] ------------[ cut here ]------------
[ 439.724008] refcount_t: decrement hit 0; leaking memory.
[ 439.724331] WARNING: CPU: 12 PID: 177 at ./include/linux/refcount.h:259 lkdtm_REFCOUNT_DEC_ZERO+0xe5/0x120
[ 439.725315] Modules linked in:
[ 439.725315] CPU: 12 PID: 177 Comm: bash Tainted: G W 5.3.0-rc3+ #1
[ 439.725315] RIP: 0010:lkdtm_REFCOUNT_DEC_ZERO+0xe5/0x120
[ 439.725315] Code: 9a 2b a9 ff eb bd 80 3d 24 a6 f0 00 00 c7 44 24 04 00 00 00 c0 75 86 48 c7 c7 18 7d e0 83 c6 05 0c a6 f0 00 01 e8 5b c6 a3 ff <0f> 0b e9 6c ff ff ff 80 3d f9 a5 f0 00 00 c7 44 24 04 00 00 00 c0
[ 439.725315] RSP: 0018:ffffb51ec040be48 EFLAGS: 00010282
[ 439.725315] RAX: 0000000000000000 RBX: 000000000000002b RCX: ffffffff84049418
[ 439.725315] RDX: 0000000000000001 RSI: 0000000000000096 RDI: ffffffff847030ac
[ 439.725315] RBP: ffffffff83e5b387 R08: 00000000000b0c28 R09: 00000000000001ab
[ 439.725315] R10: ffffd77ac120fd00 R11: ffffb51ec040bced R12: ffff9dca883f4000
[ 439.725315] R13: 0000000000d86408 R14: 0000000000000012 R15: ffffb51ec040bf08
[ 439.725315] FS: 00007f7b86147700(0000) GS:ffff9dca8a400000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
[ 439.725315] CS: 0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033
[ 439.725315] CR2: 0000000000d88ea4 CR3: 00000000482b6003 CR4: 00000000001606a0
[ 439.725315] Call Trace:
[ 439.725315] direct_entry+0xc5/0x110
[ 439.725315] full_proxy_write+0x4e/0x70
[ 439.725315] vfs_write+0xab/0x190
[ 439.725315] ksys_write+0x57/0xd0
[ 439.725315] do_syscall_64+0x43/0x110
[ 439.725315] entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x44/0xa9
[ 439.725315] RIP: 0033:0x7f7b85836970
[ 439.725315] Code: 73 01 c3 48 8b 0d 28 d5 2b 00 f7 d8 64 89 01 48 83 c8 ff c3 66 0f 1f 44 00 00 83 3d 99 2d 2c 00 00 75 10 b8 01 00 00 00 0f 05 <48> 3d 01 f0 ff ff 73 31 c3 48 83 ec 08 e8 7e 9b 01 00 48 89 04 24
[ 439.725315] RSP: 002b:00007ffc7ad9ae78 EFLAGS: 00000246 ORIG_RAX: 0000000000000001
[ 439.725315] RAX: ffffffffffffffda RBX: 0000000000000012 RCX: 00007f7b85836970
[ 439.725315] RDX: 0000000000000012 RSI: 0000000000d86408 RDI: 0000000000000001
[ 439.725315] RBP: 0000000000d86408 R08: 00007f7b85af6760 R09: 00007f7b86147700
[ 439.725315] R10: 0000000000000073 R11: 0000000000000246 R12: 0000000000000012
[ 439.725315] R13: 0000000000000001 R14: 00007f7b85af5600 R15: 0000000000000012
[ 439.725315] ---[ end trace aedef77d83b518ce ]---
[ 439.755314] lkdtm: Zero detected: saturated
[ 439.756357] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_DEC_NEGATIVE
[ 439.757313] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_dec() below zero
[ 439.758313] lkdtm: Negative detected: saturated
[ 439.759351] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_DEC_AND_TEST_NEGATIVE
[ 439.760313] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_dec_and_test() below zero
[ 439.761312] ------------[ cut here ]------------
[ 439.761990] refcount_t: underflow; use-after-free.
[ 439.762326] WARNING: CPU: 12 PID: 177 at ./include/linux/refcount.h:219 lkdtm_REFCOUNT_DEC_AND_TEST_NEGATIVE+0x90/0xa0
[ 439.763309] Modules linked in:
[ 439.763309] CPU: 12 PID: 177 Comm: bash Tainted: G W 5.3.0-rc3+ #1
[ 439.763309] RIP: 0010:lkdtm_REFCOUNT_DEC_AND_TEST_NEGATIVE+0x90/0xa0
[ 439.763309] Code: 3f 2a a9 ff eb d1 80 3d ca a4 f0 00 00 c7 44 24 04 00 00 00 c0 75 c0 48 c7 c7 f8 6a dd 83 c6 05 b2 a4 f0 00 01 e8 00 c5 a3 ff <0f> 0b eb a9 e8 77 c7 a3 ff 0f 1f 80 00 00 00 00 48 83 ec 10 48 c7
[ 439.763309] RSP: 0018:ffffb51ec040be48 EFLAGS: 00010282
[ 439.763309] RAX: 0000000000000000 RBX: 000000000000002d RCX: ffffffff84049418
[ 439.763309] RDX: 0000000000000001 RSI: 0000000000000096 RDI: ffffffff847030ac
[ 439.763309] RBP: ffffffff83e5b030 R08: 00000000000ba086 R09: 00000000000001d1
[ 439.763309] R10: ffffd77ac120fd00 R11: ffffb51ec040bced R12: ffff9dca883f4000
[ 439.763309] R13: 0000000000d86408 R14: 000000000000001f R15: ffffb51ec040bf08
[ 439.763309] FS: 00007f7b86147700(0000) GS:ffff9dca8a400000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
[ 439.763309] CS: 0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033
[ 439.763309] CR2: 0000000000d88ea4 CR3: 00000000482b6003 CR4: 00000000001606a0
[ 439.763309] Call Trace:
[ 439.763309] direct_entry+0xc5/0x110
[ 439.763309] full_proxy_write+0x4e/0x70
[ 439.763309] vfs_write+0xab/0x190
[ 439.763309] ksys_write+0x57/0xd0
[ 439.763309] do_syscall_64+0x43/0x110
[ 439.763309] entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x44/0xa9
[ 439.763309] RIP: 0033:0x7f7b85836970
[ 439.763309] Code: 73 01 c3 48 8b 0d 28 d5 2b 00 f7 d8 64 89 01 48 83 c8 ff c3 66 0f 1f 44 00 00 83 3d 99 2d 2c 00 00 75 10 b8 01 00 00 00 0f 05 <48> 3d 01 f0 ff ff 73 31 c3 48 83 ec 08 e8 7e 9b 01 00 48 89 04 24
[ 439.763309] RSP: 002b:00007ffc7ad9ae78 EFLAGS: 00000246 ORIG_RAX: 0000000000000001
[ 439.763309] RAX: ffffffffffffffda RBX: 000000000000001f RCX: 00007f7b85836970
[ 439.763309] RDX: 000000000000001f RSI: 0000000000d86408 RDI: 0000000000000001
[ 439.763309] RBP: 0000000000d86408 R08: 00007f7b85af6760 R09: 00007f7b86147700
[ 439.763309] R10: 0000000000000073 R11: 0000000000000246 R12: 000000000000001f
[ 439.763309] R13: 0000000000000001 R14: 00007f7b85af5600 R15: 000000000000001f
[ 439.763309] ---[ end trace aedef77d83b518cf ]---
[ 439.792308] lkdtm: Negative detected: saturated
[ 439.793349] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_SUB_AND_TEST_NEGATIVE
[ 439.794308] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_sub_and_test() below zero
[ 439.795307] lkdtm: Negative detected: saturated
[ 439.796344] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_INC_ZERO
[ 439.797307] lkdtm: attempting safe refcount_inc_not_zero() from zero
[ 439.798307] lkdtm: Good: zero detected
[ 439.798864] lkdtm: Correctly stayed at zero
[ 439.799306] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_inc() from zero
[ 439.800307] ------------[ cut here ]------------
[ 439.801003] refcount_t: addition on 0; use-after-free.
[ 439.801319] WARNING: CPU: 12 PID: 177 at ./include/linux/refcount.h:146 lkdtm_REFCOUNT_INC_ZERO+0x165/0x170
[ 439.802303] Modules linked in:
[ 439.802303] CPU: 12 PID: 177 Comm: bash Tainted: G W 5.3.0-rc3+ #1
[ 439.802303] RIP: 0010:lkdtm_REFCOUNT_INC_ZERO+0x165/0x170
[ 439.802303] Code: 44 24 04 00 00 00 c0 0f 85 46 ff ff ff e8 a3 f5 ff ff e9 3c ff ff ff 48 c7 c7 20 6b dd 83 c6 05 9f a2 f0 00 01 e8 eb c2 a3 ff <0f> 0b eb bd e8 62 c5 a3 ff 66 90 48 83 ec 10 48 c7 c7 c0 c7 e5 83
[ 439.802303] RSP: 0018:ffffb51ec040be48 EFLAGS: 00010282
[ 439.802303] RAX: 0000000000000000 RBX: 000000000000002f RCX: ffffffff84049418
[ 439.802303] RDX: 0000000000000001 RSI: 0000000000000096 RDI: ffffffff847030ac
[ 439.802303] RBP: ffffffff83e5b3af R08: 00000000000c38eb R09: 00000000000001fa
[ 439.802303] R10: ffffd77ac120fd00 R11: ffffb51ec040bced R12: ffff9dca883f4000
[ 439.802303] R13: 0000000000d86408 R14: 0000000000000012 R15: ffffb51ec040bf08
[ 439.802303] FS: 00007f7b86147700(0000) GS:ffff9dca8a400000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
[ 439.802303] CS: 0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033
[ 439.802303] CR2: 0000000000d88ea4 CR3: 00000000482b6003 CR4: 00000000001606a0
[ 439.802303] Call Trace:
[ 439.802303] direct_entry+0xc5/0x110
[ 439.802303] full_proxy_write+0x4e/0x70
[ 439.802303] vfs_write+0xab/0x190
[ 439.802303] ksys_write+0x57/0xd0
[ 439.802303] do_syscall_64+0x43/0x110
[ 439.802303] entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x44/0xa9
[ 439.802303] RIP: 0033:0x7f7b85836970
[ 439.802303] Code: 73 01 c3 48 8b 0d 28 d5 2b 00 f7 d8 64 89 01 48 83 c8 ff c3 66 0f 1f 44 00 00 83 3d 99 2d 2c 00 00 75 10 b8 01 00 00 00 0f 05 <48> 3d 01 f0 ff ff 73 31 c3 48 83 ec 08 e8 7e 9b 01 00 48 89 04 24
[ 439.802303] RSP: 002b:00007ffc7ad9ae78 EFLAGS: 00000246 ORIG_RAX: 0000000000000001
[ 439.802303] RAX: ffffffffffffffda RBX: 0000000000000012 RCX: 00007f7b85836970
[ 439.802303] RDX: 0000000000000012 RSI: 0000000000d86408 RDI: 0000000000000001
[ 439.802303] RBP: 0000000000d86408 R08: 00007f7b85af6760 R09: 00007f7b86147700
[ 439.802303] R10: 0000000000000073 R11: 0000000000000246 R12: 0000000000000012
[ 439.802303] R13: 0000000000000001 R14: 00007f7b85af5600 R15: 0000000000000012
[ 439.802303] ---[ end trace aedef77d83b518d0 ]---
[ 439.831302] lkdtm: Zero detected: saturated
[ 439.832344] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_ADD_ZERO
[ 439.833189] lkdtm: attempting safe refcount_add_not_zero() from zero
[ 439.833309] lkdtm: Good: zero detected
[ 439.834308] lkdtm: Correctly stayed at zero
[ 439.835301] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_add() from zero
[ 439.836105] lkdtm: Zero detected: saturated
[ 439.836339] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_INC_SATURATED
[ 439.837301] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_inc() from saturated
[ 439.838301] lkdtm: Saturation detected: still saturated
[ 439.839338] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_DEC_SATURATED
[ 439.840301] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_dec() from saturated
[ 439.841300] lkdtm: Saturation detected: still saturated
[ 439.842093] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_ADD_SATURATED
[ 439.842300] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_dec() from saturated
[ 439.843300] lkdtm: Saturation detected: still saturated
[ 439.844337] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_INC_NOT_ZERO_SATURATED
[ 439.845300] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_inc_not_zero() from saturated
[ 439.846299] lkdtm: Saturation detected: still saturated
[ 439.847344] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_ADD_NOT_ZERO_SATURATED
[ 439.848306] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_add_not_zero() from saturated
[ 439.849300] lkdtm: Saturation detected: still saturated
[ 439.850335] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_DEC_AND_TEST_SATURATED
[ 439.851299] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_dec_and_test() from saturated
[ 439.852299] lkdtm: Saturation detected: still saturated
[ 439.853335] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_SUB_AND_TEST_SATURATED
[ 439.854298] lkdtm: attempting bad refcount_sub_and_test() from saturated
[ 439.855298] lkdtm: Saturation detected: still saturated
[ 439.856333] lkdtm: Performing direct entry REFCOUNT_TIMING
[ 471.816139] lkdtm: refcount timing: done

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