Messages in this thread | | | Date | Sun, 05 May 2019 04:51:15 +0000 | From | vsnsdualce2@redchan ... | Subject | Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked? - Bradley M. Kuhn is not an attorney (he should go get his JD and get licensed). |
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> of the GPL. (And Bradley Kuhn is a lawyer -- my older mind can't > remember if > he was the lawyer who argued (and lost) a previous free software case > (don't > remember the details) in front of the US Supreme Court. (Sometimes > referred
rhkramer@gmail.com: Bradley M. Kuhn is not an attorney, which is why he had to step down as head of his organization and hire a lawyer to head the organization in his place: Bar rules do not allow lawyers to serve under a non-lawyer in an organization, and the organization was essentially a pro-bono law firm (which really needed a attorney in it's ranks...)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_M._Kuhn
Yes the "oh I just stepped down because we need a woman to head this organization now" claim he makes is, in fact, disingenuous. What they needed is a lawyer in the organization: and the lawyer could not be directed by non-lawyers.
http://ebb.org/bkuhn/ > Kuhn holds a summa cum laude B.S. in Computer Science from Loyola > University in Maryland, and an M.S. in Computer Science from the > University of Cincinnati.
http://ebb.org/bkuhn/resume/ No J.D., No law license.
I have both.
I don't want to drag someone down, but I had to correct your mistake. Once he applies to law school, gets his degree, and later his license I'm sure he will correct his as well.
On 2019-01-28 00:35, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > On Sunday, January 27, 2019 07:24:17 PM rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: >> Resending to the list -- I didn't notice that Ivan had sent this to me >> only, and my reply, of course, then went to him only. >> >> On Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:06:46 AM Ivan Ivanov wrote: >> > Yes: The linux devs can rescind their license grant. GPLv2 is a bare >> > license and is revocable by the grantor. Search for "vsnsdualce" "gpl" >> > online to find his messages which prove that, he is a lawyer and has >> > investigated this subject very well. I am CC'ing him in case you'd >> > like to request more information. So if you didn't like the Code of >> > Conduct covertly accepted behind the scenes against your will, and >> > maybe some other questionable political decisions in technical >> > projects > > ... > >> I *might* go read some of the stuff by vsnsdualce, but the Weboob >> situation >> is not an example of a (free or GPL) license being rescinded. (You >> didn't >> quite say it was, but one could infer that is what you are trying to >> say >> by its inclusion in the same paragraph.) > > Ok, I went and read a few things by "vsnsdualce" re the GPL, in > particular: > > http://readlist.com/lists/gentoo.org/gentoo-user/42/213256.html > > And from that, I went to: > > https://copyleft.org/guide/comprehensive-gpl-guidech8.html#x11-540007.4 > > It seems clear that this is one of those things that I talked about in > my > previous last paragraph (the aside, still quoted below) -- vsnsdualce > is > stating his opinion / taking a position that is in opposition to the > postions > / opinions of other lawyers. > > I don't know how far he is willing to go to try to confirm his > position, but > until a court case or something similar (and probably appeals) decides > the > issue, there are two opinions. > > If I had to guess / be which would prevail, I would bet on the side of > copyleft.org who, in a way are the successors (mcow) to the original > author(s) > of the GPL. (And Bradley Kuhn is a lawyer -- my older mind can't > remember if > he was the lawyer who argued (and lost) a previous free software case > (don't > remember the details) in front of the US Supreme Court. (Sometimes > referred > to as "the supremes", but they don't really sing that well (well, to be > fair, > I guess I never heard them sing ;-) > > Even if he was the guy that lost that case (I'm fairly sure it was > someone > else), he is certainly a very experienced lawyer, and very familiar > with the > issues around this license. I would trust his opinion more that I > would > "vsnsdualce"'s. > > ... > >> >> Just another aside: One of my takes on lawyers is that they interpret >> laws >> and take legal positions for various reasons, often to further their >> own >> or their client's interests, and then are willing to fight the legal >> battle that may ensue. A lawyer expressing an opinion does not make >> that >> opinion correct / legal.
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