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SubjectRe: [RFC][PATCH] dt-bindings: usb: add non-removable device property
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Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> writes:

> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 03:22:24PM +0000, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>> Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> writes:
>>
>> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 02:33:44PM +0000, Mans Rullgard wrote:
>> >> Add a boolean property indicating that a device is hardwired to the
>> >> upstream port. Although hubs can provide this information, they are not
>> >> always configured correctly. An alternate means of indicating this for
>> >> built-in USB devices is thus useful.
>> >>
>> >> Signed-off-by: Mans Rullgard <mans@mansr.com>
>> >> ---
>> >> I have a situation where userspace would like to know which USB devices
>> >> are built-in, but the on-board hub doesn't have the right setting.
>> >> Also, the hub itself can't be indicated as fixed in any other way that
>> >> I'm aware of.
>> >
>> > Then that's a firmware bug, right? We have a way for firmware to export
>> > this to the USB core, why not use that? Your on-board hub should get a
>> > firmware update with this information, let's not try to create
>> > yet-another-way to define this type of information please.
>>
>> What firmware? This is not an ACPI system, obviously, so DT _is_ the
>> firmware.
>
> Firmware in your hub. There's a whole crazy software stack in that
> beast :)

The hub chip itself (SMSC/Microchip USB2512B in the case at hand) is
fine. The problem is that whoever designed the PCB didn't add the
pull-ups marking the ports non-removable. Besides, the hub can't
indicate that it itself is hardwired to the host port. That information
needs to be supplied elsewhere.

>> >> In a way, adding this property seems a bit silly since dt can only
>> >> sensibly be used for hardwired devices in the first place. Thus the
>> >> mere presence of a dt node could be taken to indicate the same thing.
>> >> On the other hand, it's conceivable that someone might dynamically
>> >> generate a devicetree based on what happens to be connected on boot or
>> >> something. For that reason, and explicit property seems safer.
>> >> ---
>> >> Documentation/devicetree/bindings/usb/usb-device.txt | 8 ++++++++
>> >> 1 file changed, 8 insertions(+)
>> >
>> > Can you show some code actually using this? Again, this should "just
>> > work" for USB today unless your platform is really broken (and if it is,
>> > go complain to the vendor...)
>>
>> You know full well that complaining to the vendor is rarely something
>> that works. Especially not when there are already thousands of the
>> devices in the field.
>
> Understood, but constantly working around broken hardware is annoying at
> times.

It's annoying, sure. It is also the reality, and we have to deal with it.
Ignoring such hardware won't make it go away.

>> This is how I meant to use it:
>>
>> diff --git a/drivers/usb/core/hub.c b/drivers/usb/core/hub.c
>> index 3adff4da2ee1..81ef3cb705b7 100644
>> --- a/drivers/usb/core/hub.c
>> +++ b/drivers/usb/core/hub.c
>> @@ -2392,6 +2392,14 @@ static void set_usb_port_removable(struct usb_device *udev)
>> break;
>> }
>>
>> + /*
>> + * Otherwise, check whether DT indicates this device is non-removable.
>> + */
>> + if (of_property_read_bool(udev->dev.of_node, "non-removable")) {
>> + udev->removable = USB_DEVICE_FIXED;
>> + return;
>> + }
>
> Shouldn't this be an attribute of the USB hub's port, not the device
> itself? That's the way it works with ACPI, and odds are any description
> of USB devices in DT is also going to look much like how ACPI describes
> the devices, let's not try to diverge when it is not necessary.

Fine with me. That's why I asked.

How about a non-removable-ports property in the hub node listing the
hardwired ports?

--
Måns Rullgård

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