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SubjectRe: [PATCH v1] gpu: host1x: Ignore clients initialization failure
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On Thursday, 9 August 2018 16:10:35 MSK Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 03:53:03PM +0300, Dmitry Osipenko wrote:
> > On Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:45:41 MSK Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 02:30:47PM +0300, Dmitry Osipenko wrote:
> > > > On Friday, 3 August 2018 13:50:55 MSK Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 01, 2018 at 06:08:07PM +0300, Dmitry Osipenko wrote:
> > > > > > From time to time new bugs are popping up, causing some host1x
> > > > > > client
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > fail its initialization. Currently a single clients initialization
> > > > > > failure
> > > > > > causes whole host1x device registration to fail, as a result a
> > > > > > single
> > > > > > DRM
> > > > > > sub-device initialization failure makes whole DRM initialization
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > fail.
> > > > > > Let's ignore clients initialization failure, as a result display
> > > > > > panel
> > > > > > lights up even if some DRM clients (say GR2D or VIC) fail to
> > > > > > initialize.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Dmitry Osipenko <digetx@gmail.com>
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > >
> > > > > > drivers/gpu/host1x/bus.c | 18 +++++++-----------
> > > > > > 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)
> > > > >
> > > > > This is actually done on purpose. I can't think of a case where we
> > > > > would
> > > > > actively like to keep a half-broken DRM device operational. The
> > > > > errors
> > > > > that you're talking about should only happen during development,
> > > >
> > > > [only in a perfect world]
> > >
> > > gr2d and VIC are fairly deterministic. What are the errors you are
> > > seeing that cause initialization failure?
> >
> > Right now there are no specific errors. There is only a known trouble with
> > the ARM_DMA_USE_IOMMU, but that causes to fail all of the clients.
> >
> > > Note that it is possible for
> > > these devices to malfunction even if initialization succeeds. A failure
> > > to initialize can only happen if there's something wrong in the device
> > > tree, firmware is missing (in case of VIC) or a regression was
> > > introduced in some subsystem that causes a failure (maybe deferred probe
> > > or something similar).
> >
> > A missing firmware is an actual good example. Though can't VIC driver be
> > changed to load firmware at the time of a its first use by userspace? It
> > should be very annoying that kernel driver forces you to churn with
> > initramfs.
> No, that's not really how firmware loading works. There's no technical
> barrier to doing it, but it'd be strange. If a device needs firmware to
> work, it'd be unusual to make it available before you know that it can
> be used.
>
> What if the firmware can't be loaded at the time of the first use? How
> do you report that back to userspace? -ENOENT because the firmware file
> can't be found? How is userspace to know that this is a problem with
> firmware loading rather than some other error having to do with the VIC
> command stream being broken, for example?

You'll have to check kernels log if there is some kernel-related failure in
any case for the detailed information.

> Modifying the initramfs is only necessary if you have the module built-
> in or the module in the initramfs. If the module is in a root
> filesystem, simply put the firmware there as well and you should be
> good. This is all very standard Linux behaviour, nothing new or exotic
> there.

Having display driver built-in usually more preferable, it's not fun if kernel
can't get to FS mount stage.

> > > > > and the
> > > > > device not showing up is a pretty good indicator that something is
> > > > > wrong
> > > > > as opposed to everything booting normally and then getting some
> > > > > cryptic
> > > > > error at runtime because one of the clients didn't initialize.
> > > >
> > > > If machine doesn't have a serial port and it doesn't have ssh server
> > > > running or network doesn't come up, you'll end up with a completely
> > > > dysfunctional piece of hardware. Hence there is no chance for you to
> > > > even
> > > > check what is wrong. The argument about a cryptic error doesn't make
> > > > much
> > > > sense, you have to improve your runtime as well (and you'll get a
> > > > error
> > > > message in the kernels log).
> > >
> > > You make a good point here. I'm not aware of any devices we support in
> > > the kernel that don't have a serial console, but that doesn't mean the
> > > kernel could be used on an "unsupported" device that doesn't have one.
> >
> > AFAIK, enabling serial on AC100 require soldering iron.
> >
> > > > > From my perspective, all clients should always be operational in
> > > > > whatever baseline version you use. If it isn't that's a bug that
> > > > > should
> > > > > be fixed. Ideally those bugs should get fixed before making it into
> > > > > a
> > > > > baseline version (mainline, linux-next, ...), so that this never
> > > > > impacts
> > > > > even developers, unless they break it themselves, in which case
> > > > > refusing
> > > > > to register the DRM device is a pretty good incentive to fix it.
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like you're assuming that only kernel developers are supposed
> > > > to
> > > > use
> > > > Tegra, though at least (for now) for upstream it is kinda true. Of
> > > > course
> > > > that could be changed ;-)
> > >
> > > That's not at all what I'm saying. What I am saying is that we should
> > > make it difficult for developers to break the kernel in a way that would
> > > put users into a position that is difficult to get themselves out of. If
> > > we refuse to register the complete DRM device in case some subdevice
> > > fails to initialize we increase the chances of developers noticing and
> > > fixing it.
> > >
> > > If all we do on failure is output an error message, it's very likely to
> > > go unnoticed. Developers are likely to check specifically the
> > > functionality that they're working on and ignore failures that they may
> > > have caused in other parts of the code as a side-effect of their current
> > > work.
> >
> > I can try to help with improving of your automated testing suite, if
> > you'll
> > make it accessible to the public.
>
> This has nothing to do with automated test suites. The problem with test
> suites is that you can't force everyone to run them, so it's likely that
> people would still miss it.
>
> The whole point of failing the whole thing is to force people to do the
> right thing irrespective of any test suite or log or whatever. So if I
> work on display and accidentally break VIC initialization, I'm now
> forced to fix VIC initialization if I want to be able to test display.
>
> > > Perhaps a good middle ground would be to turn initialization failures
> > > into WARN_ON() to increase the chances of them getting notified and then
> > > continue on a best effort basis in the hopes of having enough
> > > initialized to get a message to users.
> >
> > Good to me, I'll make v2.
> >
> > > Another alternative would be to
> > > mark essential subdevices (such as the display controller) so that only
> > > they will cause failure to register the whole DRM device.
> >
> > I don't think that making some subdevice more valuable than the others is
> > a
> > feasible approach, how you are going to differentiate what of the two
> > display controllers is more important than the other.
>
> I wasn't talking about one display controller vs. another, but rather
> about "optional" subdevices. For example, I'd consider gr2d, gr3d and
> VIC as optional in that they aren't needed to get something on the
> screen. Anything display related would be considered required to make
> sure people get at least a working display, even if all optional sub-
> devices fail.

Well, from a users perspective, likely that display panel is more important
than HDMI port. It doesn't sound good that display panel won't work because of
an unrelated HDMI issue (and vice versa).



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