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SubjectRe: [GIT PULL] Device properties framework update for v4.18-rc1
On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 10:39 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:30 AM Linus Torvalds
> <> wrote:
> >
> > Honestly, this looks questionable to me.
> >
> > I'm not talking about the changes themselves - I can live with them.
> > But the _rationale_ is pure and utter garbage, and dangerously so.
> Side note: I've merged it, and it's going through my build tests, so
> it's really not that I hate the code.

Thanks for merging.

> But I really find that kind of one-sided rationale that ignores
> reality unacceptable.

Yeah, there were few reasons why I decide to make that patch (OK, it
seems I staked on not the best reason).

Like Rafael said there is no need to use it here and code initially was
without union aliasing be in place.

> And I find it dangerous, because it *sounds* so "obviously correct" to
> people who don't know any better. If you don't know that gcc
> explicitly says that you should use unions to do type punning to avoid
> aliasing issues, you might believe that union type punning is a bad
> thing from that commit message.
> So it's dangerously misleading, because lots of people have a
> dangerous reverence for paper over reality.

I agree with you, because type punning via unions feels natural and
that's why I even didn't notice when made a refactoring there several
releases before.

> In programming, "Appeal to Standards" should be considered a potential
> logical fallacy. Standards have their place, but they definitely have
> their caveats too.

Yes, even outside of programming.

Andy Shevchenko <>
Intel Finland Oy

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