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SubjectRe: [RFC PATCH 00/14] Heterogeneous Memory System (HMS) and hbind()


On 2018-12-06 12:31 p.m., Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 12/6/18 11:20 AM, Jerome Glisse wrote:
>>>> For case 1 you can pre-parse stuff but this can be done by helper library
>>> How would that work? Would each user/container/whatever do this once?
>>> Where would they keep the pre-parsed stuff? How do they manage their
>>> cache if the topology changes?
>> Short answer i don't expect a cache, i expect that each program will have
>> a init function that query the topology and update the application codes
>> accordingly.
>
> My concern with having folks do per-program parsing, *and* having a huge
> amount of data to parse makes it unusable. The largest systems will
> literally have hundreds of thousands of objects in /sysfs, even in a
> single directory. That makes readdir() basically impossible, and makes
> even open() (if you already know the path you want somehow) hard to do fast.

Is this actually realistic? I find it hard to imagine an actual hardware
bus that can have even thousands of devices under a single node, let
alone hundreds of thousands. At some point the laws of physics apply.
For example, in present hardware, the most ports a single PCI switch can
have these days is under one hundred. I'd imagine any such large systems
would have a hierarchy of devices (ie. layers of switch-like devices)
which implies the existing sysfs bus/devices should have a path through
it without navigating a directory with that unreasonable a number of
objects in it. HMS, on the other hand, has all possible initiators
(,etc) under a single directory.

The caveat to this is, that to find an initial starting point in the bus
hierarchy you might have to go through /sys/dev/{block|char} or
/sys/class which may have directories with a large number of objects.
Though, such a system would necessarily have a similarly large number of
objects in /dev which means means you will probably never get around the
readdir/open bottleneck you mention... and, thus, this doesn't seem
overly realistic to me.

Logan

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