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    SubjectRe: [PATCH v7 3/6] seccomp: add a way to get a listener fd from ptrace
    On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 03:50:53PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
    > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:49 PM Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io> wrote:
    > >
    > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 03:36:04PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
    > > > +cc selinux people explicitly, since they probably have opinions on this
    > > >
    > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:29 PM Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io> wrote:
    > > > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 02:39:53PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
    > > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:18 PM Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io> wrote:
    > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 06:42:00PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
    > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 6:21 PM Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 05:33:22PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:16 PM Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 09:11:16AM -0600, Tycho Andersen wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/kernel/seccomp.c b/kernel/seccomp.c
    > > > > > > > > > > > index 44a31ac8373a..17685803a2af 100644
    > > > > > > > > > > > --- a/kernel/seccomp.c
    > > > > > > > > > > > +++ b/kernel/seccomp.c
    > > > > > > > > > > > @@ -1777,4 +1777,35 @@ static struct file *init_listener(struct task_struct *task,
    > > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > > return ret;
    > > > > > > > > > > > }
    > > > > > > > > > > > +
    > > > > > > > > > > > +long seccomp_new_listener(struct task_struct *task,
    > > > > > > > > > > > + unsigned long filter_off)
    > > > > > > > > > > > +{
    > > > > > > > > > > > + struct seccomp_filter *filter;
    > > > > > > > > > > > + struct file *listener;
    > > > > > > > > > > > + int fd;
    > > > > > > > > > > > +
    > > > > > > > > > > > + if (!capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN))
    > > > > > > > > > > > + return -EACCES;
    > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > I know this might have been discussed a while back but why exactly do we
    > > > > > > > > > > require CAP_SYS_ADMIN in init_userns and not in the target userns? What
    > > > > > > > > > > if I want to do a setns()fd, CLONE_NEWUSER) to the target process and
    > > > > > > > > > > use ptrace from in there?
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > See https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAG48ez3R+ZJ1vwGkDfGzKX2mz6f=jjJWsO5pCvnH68P+RKO8Ow@mail.gmail.com/
    > > > > > > > > > . Basically, the problem is that this doesn't just give you capability
    > > > > > > > > > over the target task, but also over every other task that has the same
    > > > > > > > > > filter installed; you need some sort of "is the caller capable over
    > > > > > > > > > the filter and anyone who uses it" check.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Thanks.
    > > > > > > > > But then this new ptrace feature as it stands is imho currently broken.
    > > > > > > > > If you can install a seccomp filter with SECCOMP_RET_USER_NOTIF if you
    > > > > > > > > are ns_cpabable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN) and also get an fd via seccomp() itself
    > > > > > > > > if you are ns_cpabable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN)
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Actually, you don't need CAP_SYS_ADMIN for seccomp() at all as long as
    > > > > > you enable the NNP flag, I think?
    > > > >
    > > > > Yes, if you turn on NNP you don't even need sys_admin.
    > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > then either the new ptrace() api
    > > > > > > > > extension should be fixed to allow for this too or the seccomp() way of
    > > > > > > > > retrieving the pid - which I really think we want - needs to be fixed to
    > > > > > > > > require capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN) too.
    > > > > > > > > The solution where both require ns_capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN) is - imho -
    > > > > > > > > the preferred way to solve this.
    > > > > > > > > Everything else will just be confusing.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > First you say "broken", then you say "confusing". Which one do you mean?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Both. It's broken in so far as it places a seemingly unnecessary
    > > > > > > restriction that could be fixed. You outlined one possible fix yourself
    > > > > > > in the link you provided.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > If by "possible fix" you mean "check whether the seccomp filter is
    > > > > > only attached to a single task": That wouldn't fundamentally change
    > > > > > the situation, it would only add an additional special case.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > > And it's confusing in so far as there is a way
    > > > > > > via seccomp() to get the fd without said requirement.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I don't find it confusing at all. seccomp() and ptrace() are very
    > > > >
    > > > > Fine, then that's a matter of opinion. I find it counterintuitive that
    > > > > you can get an fd without privileges via one interface but not via
    > > > > another.
    > > > >
    > > > > > different situations: When you use seccomp(), infrastructure is
    > > > >
    > > > > Sure. Note, that this is _one_ of the reasons why I want to make sure we
    > > > > keep the native seccomp() only based way of getting an fd without
    > > > > forcing userspace to switching to a differnet kernel api.
    > > > >
    > > > > > already in place for ensuring that your filter is only applied to
    > > > > > processes over which you are capable, and propagation is limited by
    > > > > > inheritance from your task down. When you use ptrace(), you need a
    > > > > > pretty different sort of access check that checks whether you're
    > > > > > privileged over ancestors, siblings and so on of the target task.
    > > > >
    > > > > So, don't get me wrong I'm not arguing against the ptrace() interface in
    > > > > general. If this is something that people find useful, fine. But, I
    > > > > would like to have a simple single-syscall pure-seccomp() based way of
    > > > > getting an fd, i.e. what we have in patch 1 of this series.
    > > >
    > > > Yeah, I also prefer the seccomp() one.
    > > >
    > > > > > But thinking about it more, I think that CAP_SYS_ADMIN over the saved
    > > > > > current->mm->user_ns of the task that installed the filter (stored as
    > > > > > a "struct user_namespace *" in the filter) should be acceptable.
    > > > >
    > > > > Hm... Why not CAP_SYS_PTRACE?
    > > >
    > > > Because LSMs like SELinux add extra checks that apply even if you have
    > > > CAP_SYS_PTRACE, and this would subvert those. The only capability I
    > > > know of that lets you bypass LSM checks by design (if no LSM blocks
    > > > the capability itself) is CAP_SYS_ADMIN.
    > > >
    > > > > One more thing. Citing from [1]
    > > > >
    > > > > > I think there's a security problem here. Imagine the following scenario:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 1. task A (uid==0) sets up a seccomp filter that uses SECCOMP_RET_USER_NOTIF
    > > > > > 2. task A forks off a child B
    > > > > > 3. task B uses setuid(1) to drop its privileges
    > > > > > 4. task B becomes dumpable again, either via prctl(PR_SET_DUMPABLE, 1)
    > > > > > or via execve()
    > > > > > 5. task C (the attacker, uid==1) attaches to task B via ptrace
    > > > > > 6. task C uses PTRACE_SECCOMP_NEW_LISTENER on task B
    > > > >
    > > > > Sorry, to be late to the party but would this really pass
    > > > > __ptrace_may_access() in ptrace_attach()? It doesn't seem obvious to me
    > > > > that it would... Doesn't look like it would get past:
    > > > >
    > > > > tcred = __task_cred(task);
    > > > > if (uid_eq(caller_uid, tcred->euid) &&
    > > > > uid_eq(caller_uid, tcred->suid) &&
    > > > > uid_eq(caller_uid, tcred->uid) &&
    > > > > gid_eq(caller_gid, tcred->egid) &&
    > > > > gid_eq(caller_gid, tcred->sgid) &&
    > > > > gid_eq(caller_gid, tcred->gid))
    > > > > goto ok;
    > > > > if (ptrace_has_cap(tcred->user_ns, mode))
    > > > > goto ok;
    > > > > rcu_read_unlock();
    > > > > return -EPERM;
    > > > > ok:
    > > > > rcu_read_unlock();
    > > > > mm = task->mm;
    > > > > if (mm &&
    > > > > ((get_dumpable(mm) != SUID_DUMP_USER) &&
    > > > > !ptrace_has_cap(mm->user_ns, mode)))
    > > > > return -EPERM;
    > > >
    > > > Which specific check would prevent task C from attaching to task B? If
    > > > the UIDs match, the first "goto ok" executes; and you're dumpable, so
    > > > you don't trigger the second "return -EPERM".
    > >
    > > You'd also need CAP_SYS_PTRACE in the mm->user_ns which you shouldn't
    > > have if you did a setuid to an unpriv user. (But I always find that code
    > > confusing.)
    >
    > Only if the target hasn't gone through execve() since setuid().

    Sorry if I want to know this in excessive detail but I'd like to
    understand this properly so bear with me :)
    - If task B has setuid()ed and prctl(PR_SET_DUMPABLE, 1)ed but not
    execve()ed then C won't pass ptrace_has_cap(mm->user_ns, mode).
    - If task B has setuid()ed, exeved()ed it will get its dumpable flag set
    to /proc/sys/fs/suid_dumpable which by default is 0. So C won't pass
    (get_dumpable(mm) != SUID_DUMP_USER).
    In both cases PTRACE_ATTACH shouldn't work. Now, if
    /proc/sys/fs/suid_dumpable is 1 I'd find it acceptable for this to work.
    This is an administrator choice.

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