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SubjectRe: [PATCH V14 07/24] mmc: block: Use data timeout in card_busy_detect()
On 22/11/17 16:43, Ulf Hansson wrote:
> On 22 November 2017 at 08:40, Adrian Hunter <> wrote:
>> On 21/11/17 17:39, Ulf Hansson wrote:
>>> On 21 November 2017 at 14:42, Adrian Hunter <> wrote:
>>>> card_busy_detect() has a 10 minute timeout. However the correct timeout is
>>>> the data timeout. Change card_busy_detect() to use the data timeout.
>>> Unfortunate I don't think there is "correct" timeout for this case.
>>> The data->timeout_ns is to indicate for the host to how long the
>>> maximum time it's allowed to take between blocks that are written to
>>> the data lines.
>>> I haven't found a definition of the busy timeout, after the data write
>>> has completed. The spec only mentions that the device moves to
>>> programming state and pulls DAT0 to indicate busy.
>> To me it reads more like the timeout is for each block, including the last
>> i.e. the same timeout for "busy". Note the card is also busy between blocks.
> I don't think that is the same timeout. Or maybe it is.
> In the eMMC 5.1 spec, there are mentions about "buffer busy signal"
> and "programming busy signal", see section 6.15.3 (Timings - Data
> Write).
> Anyway, whether any of them is specified, is to me unclear.
>> Equally it is the timeout we give the host controller. So either the host
>> controller does not have a timeout for "busy" - which begs the question why
>> it has a timeout at all - or it invents its own "busy" timeout - which begs
>> the question why it isn't in the spec.
> Well, there are some vague hints in section 6.8.2 (Time-out
> conditions), but I don't find these timeouts values being referred to
> in 6.15 (Timings). And that puzzles me.
> Moreover, the below is quoted from section (Block write):
> ------
> Some Devices may require long and unpredictable times to write a block
> of data. After receiving a block of data and completing the CRC check,
> the Device will begin writing and hold the DAT0 line low. The host may
> poll the status of the Device with a SEND_STATUS command (CMD13) at
> any time, and the Device will respond with its status (except in Sleep
> state). The status bit READY_FOR_DATA indicates whether the Device can
> accept new data or not. The host may deselect the Device by issuing
> CMD7 that will then displace the Device into the Disconnect State and
> release the DAT0 line without interrupting the write operation. When
> reselecting the Device, it will reactivate busy indication by pulling
> DAT0 to low. See 6.15 for details of busy indication.
> ------
>>> Sure, 10 min seems crazy, perhaps something along the lines of 10-20 s
>>> is more reasonable. What do you think?
>> We give SD cards a generous 3 seconds for writes. SDHCI has long had a 10
>> second software timer for the whole request, which strongly suggests that
>> requests have always completed within 10 seconds. So that puts the range of
>> an arbitrary timeout 3-10 s.
>>From the reasoning above, I guess we could try out 10 s. That is at
> least a lot better than 10 minutes.
> I also see that we have at three different places (switch, erase,
> block data transfers) implementing busy signal detection. It would be
> nice to try to align those pieces of code, because they are quite
> similar. Of course, this deserves it's own separate task to try to fix
> up.
> BTW, perhaps we should move this to a separate change on top of the
> series? Or is there as specific need for this in regards to blkmq and
> CQE?

It is related to the recovery changes, so can be moved later in the patch set.

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