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SubjectRe: spin_lock implicit/explicit memory barrier
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:17:57PM -0700, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016, Manfred Spraul wrote:
> >On 08/10/2016 02:05 AM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> >>On Tue, 2016-08-09 at 20:52 +0200, Manfred Spraul wrote:
> >>>Hi Benjamin, Hi Michael,
> >>>
> >>>regarding commit 51d7d5205d33 ("powerpc: Add smp_mb() to
> >>>arch_spin_is_locked()"):
> >>>
> >>>For the ipc/sem code, I would like to replace the spin_is_locked() with
> >>>a smp_load_acquire(), see:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>To my understanding, I must now add a smp_mb(), otherwise it would be
> >>>broken on PowerPC:
> >>>
> >>>The approach that the memory barrier is added into spin_is_locked()
> >>>doesn't work because the code doesn't use spin_is_locked().
> >>>
> >>>Correct?
> >>Right, otherwise you aren't properly ordered. The current powerpc locks provide
> >>good protection between what's inside vs. what's outside the lock but not vs.
> >>the lock *value* itself, so if, like you do in the sem code, use the lock
> >>value as something that is relevant in term of ordering, you probably need
> >>an explicit full barrier.
> But the problem here is with spin_unlock_wait() (for ll/sc spin_lock) not seeing the
> store that makes the lock visibly taken and both threads end up exiting out of sem_lock();
> similar scenario to the spin_is_locked commit mentioned above, which is crossing of
> locks.
> Now that spin_unlock_wait() always implies at least an load-acquire barrier (for both
> ticket and qspinlocks, which is still x86 only), we wait on the full critical region.
> So this patch takes this locking scheme:
> spin_lock(l) spin_lock(L)
> spin_unlock_wait(L) if (spin_is_locked(l))
> foo() foo()
> ... and converts it now to:
> complex_mode = true spin_lock(l)
> smp_mb() <--- do we want a smp_mb() here?
> spin_unlock_wait(l) if (!smp_load_acquire(complex_mode))
> foo() foo()
> We should not be doing an smp_mb() right after a spin_lock(), makes no sense. The
> spinlock machinery should guarantee us the barriers in the unorthodox locking cases,
> such as this.

In this case, from what I can see, we do need a store-load fence.
That said, yes, it really should be smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() rather
than smp_mb(). So if this code pattern is both desired and legitimate,
the smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() definitions probably need to move out
of kernel/rcu/tree.h to barrier.h or some such.

Now, I agree that if everyone was acquiring and releasing the lock in
standard fashion, there would be no need for memory barriers other than
those in the locking primitives. But that is not the case here: A task
is looking at some lock-protected state without actually holding the lock.

Thanx, Paul

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