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SubjectRe: [PATCH 5/7] random: replace non-blocking pool with a Chacha20-based CRNG
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 01:19:17PM +0800, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 01:02:03AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> >
> > It's work that I'm not convinced is worth the gain? Perhaps I
> > shouldn't have buried the lede, but repeating a paragraph from later
> > in the message:
> >
> > So even if the AVX optimized is 100% faster than the generic version,
> > it would change the time needed to create a 256 byte session key from
> > 1.68 microseconds to 1.55 microseconds. And this is ignoring the
> > extra overhead needed to set up AVX, the fact that this will require
> > the kernel to do extra work doing the XSAVE and XRESTORE because of
> > the use of the AVX registers, etc.
>
> We do have figures on the efficiency of the accelerated chacha
> implementation on 256-byte requests (I've picked the 8-block
> version):

Sorry, I typo'ed this. s/bytes/bits/. 256 bits / 32 bytes is the
much more common amount that someone might be trying to extract, to
get a 256 **bit** session key.

And also note my comments about how we need to permute the key
directly, and not just go through the set_key abstraction. And when
you did your benchmarks, how often was XSAVE / XRESTORE happening ---
in between every single block operation?

Remember, what we're talking about for getrandom(2) in the most common
case is syscall, extrate a 32 bytes worth of keystream, ***NOT***
XOR'ing it with plaintext buffer, and then permuting the key.

So simply doing chacha20 encryption in a tight loop in the kernel
might not be a good proxy for what would actually happen in real life
when someone calls getrandom(2). (Another good question to ask is
when someone might be needing to generate millions of 256-bit session
keys per second, when the D-H setup, even if you were using ECCDH,
would be largely dominating the time for the connection setup anyway.)

Cheers,

- Ted

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