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SubjectRe: [PATCH 1/1] suspend: delete sys_sync()
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On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:13 PM, One Thousand Gnomes
<gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
>> 2. worst case latency is obscene, there are examples of some
>> syncs which take over 3,000 ms to complete.
>
> ATA is pretty open ended on this. I believe the vendors use 7 seconds
> just for the cache flush as their limit because after 7 seconds some non
> Linux OS's blow up. However if my suspend/resume crashes (as still I'm
> sorry to say happens far too often) I don't want my last ten minutes of
> work trashed.
>
>> Unfortunately, sys_sync() can be a significant pain point,
>> even for systems that run Android.
>
> Android devices often have slow I/O devices coupled with a lot of memory
> so yes that is true.
>
> There are however some very important reasons for using sync() in a
> suspend
>
> - I can read data off the suspended machines disk volumes even though I
> can't write to them. People do this.
>
> - Suspend requires the firmware, drivers and kernel all get it exactly
> right. On a lot of machines therefore suspend is still a buggy pile of
> crap. Sync is extremely valuable given that you can't be entirely
> sure your system will resume.
>
> - Users habitually do stupid things like removing USB dongles from
> suspended boxes and thinking afterwards. Perception is that the device
> is off therefore you can unplug it.
>
> So I think its inappropriate to change the default. Allow users to turn
> it off by all means, and I imagine many phones would use that.

FWIW, 18-months ago, I proposed a patch to make the sys_sync() optional
"[PATCH 1/1] suspend: make sync() on suspend-to-RAM optional"
and feedback was that fewer choices would be better.

Note that user-space has full license both before and after this patch
to sync(). Indeed, the s2disk and s2ram utilities do exactly that.

> Some of this however is crappy suspend/resume handling. If the suspend
> subsystem was doing its job then for the cases of timeout triggered
> suspend it would have triggered most of the disk writes ten seconds
> before it tried to suspend properly ;-)

No problem, continue to use s2ram on your system -- and to the extent
that sync works, your data will be on disk. (sync reliability is a
different topic...)

Understand, however, there are systems which suspend/resume reliably
many times per second, making policy choice of having the kernel hard-code
a sys_sync() into the suspend path a bad idea.

thanks,
Len Brown, Intel Open Source Technology Center


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