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SubjectRe: [patch 00/12] mm: page_alloc: improve OOM mechanism and policy
On Tue 14-04-15 10:11:18, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 02:46:14PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > [Sorry for a late reply]
> >
> > On Tue 07-04-15 10:18:22, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 05:19:20PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > My question here would be: are there any NOFS allocations that *don't*
> > > want this behavior? Does it even make sense to require this separate
> > > annotation or should we just make it the default?
> > >
> > > The argument here was always that NOFS allocations are very limited in
> > > their reclaim powers and will trigger OOM prematurely. However, the
> > > way we limit dirty memory these days forces most cache to be clean at
> > > all times, and direct reclaim in general hasn't been allowed to issue
> > > page writeback for quite some time. So these days, NOFS reclaim isn't
> > > really weaker than regular direct reclaim.
> >
> > What about [di]cache and some others fs specific shrinkers (and heavy
> > metadata loads)?
>
> We don't do direct reclaim for fs shrinkers in GFP_NOFS context,
> either.

Yeah but we invoke fs shrinkers for the _regular_ direct reclaim (with
__GFP_FS), which was the point I've tried to make here.

> *HOWEVER*
>
> The shrinker reclaim we can not execute is deferred to the next
> context that can do the reclaim, which is usually kswapd. So the
> reclaim gets done according to the GFP_NOFS memory pressure that is
> occurring, it is just done in a different context...

Right, deferring to kswapd is the reason why I think the direct reclaim
shouldn't invoke OOM killer in this context because that would be
premature - as kswapd still can make some progress. Sorry for not being
more clear.

> > > The only exception is that
> > > it might block writeback, so we'd go OOM if the only reclaimables left
> > > were dirty pages against that filesystem. That should be acceptable.
> >
> > OOM killer is hardly acceptable by most users I've heard from. OOM
> > killer is the _last_ resort and if the allocation is restricted then
> > we shouldn't use the big hammer. The allocator might use __GFP_HIGH to
> > get access to memory reserves if it can fail or __GFP_NOFAIL if it
> > cannot. With your patches the NOFAIL case would get an access to memory
> > reserves as well. So I do not really see a reason to change GFP_NOFS vs.
> > OOM killer semantic.
>
> So, really, what we want is something like:
>
> #define __GFP_USE_LOWMEM_RESERVE __GFP_HIGH
>
> So that it documents the code that is using it effectively and we
> can find them easily with cscope/grep?

I wouldn't be opposed. To be honest I was never fond of __GFP_HIGH. The
naming is counterintuitive. So I would rather go with renaminag it. We do
not have that many users in the tree.
git grep "GFP_HIGH\>" | wc -l
40
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


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