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SubjectRe: frequent lockups in 3.18rc4
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On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Linus Torvalds
>>> <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Linus Torvalds
>>>> <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So I kind of agree, but it wouldn't be my primary worry. My primary
>>>>> worry is actually paravirt doing something insane.
>>>>
>>>> Btw, on that tangent, does anybody actually care about paravirt any more?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Amazon, for better or for worse.
>>>
>>>> I'd love to start moving away from it. It makes a lot of the low-level
>>>> code completely impossible to follow due to the random indirection
>>>> through "native" vs "paravirt op table". Not just the page table
>>>> handling, it's all over.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody who seriously does virtualization uses hw virtualization that
>>>> is much better than it used to be. And the non-serious users aren't
>>>> that performance-sensitive by definition.
>>>>
>>>> I note that the Fedora kernel config seems to include paravirt by
>>>> default, so you get a lot of the crazy overheads..
>>>
>>> I think that there is a move toward deprecating Xen PV in favor of
>>> PVH, but we're not there yet.
>>
>> A move where? The Xen stuff in Fedora is ... not paid attention to
>> very much. If there's something we should be looking at turning off
>> (or on), we're happy to take suggestions.
>
> A move in the Xen project. As I understand it, Xen wants to deprecate
> PV in favor of PVH, but PVH is still experimental.

OK.

> I think that dropping PARAVIRT in Fedora might be a bad idea for
> several more releases, since that's likely to break the EC2 images.

Yes, that's essentially the only reason we haven't looked at disabling
Xen completely for a while now, so <sad trombone>.

josh


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