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SubjectRe: [PATCH V3 2/6] sched: idle: cpuidle: Check the latency req before idle
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 02:53:10PM +0100, Daniel Lezcano wrote:

> >>The governors are just ignoring it, except for a small timer optimization in
> >>menu.c (and I am still not convinced it is worth to have it). I don't see
> >>the point to add a state we don't want to use.
> >
> >The ignoring it is _wrong_. Make that go away and you'll get rid of most
> >of the STATE_START crap.
> >
> >The governors are the place where we combine the QoS constraints with
> >idle predictors and pick an idle state, polling is a valid state to
> >pick, and given QoS constraints it might be the only state to pick.
> Well, I understand your point of view but I still disagree. IMO, the poll
> loop shouldn't be considered as a valid idle state for different reasons:
> 0. thermal issue if wrongly selected from any of the governor

That seems like a QoS issue and should be fixed there, no?

> 1. a polling loop does not have a valid time measurements even if the
> TIME_VALID flag has been added

Ah, right you are. It does not. We _could_ fix that, not sure its worth
the hassle but see below.

> 2. entering the idle governors is not free, especially the menu governor,
> which is contradictory with zero latency req

Well, you could add this 'fast' path to the cpuidle code (before calling
into the actual governors) too. Also, since the governors actually use
this state it makes sense for it to be available.

> 3. what is the meaning of having a zero latency (target + exit) idle state ?
> We know it will always succeed if the other fails

Not quite sure I follow; you seem to have answered your own question?

> 4. IIUC, you are suggesting to add the poll loop for all the cpuidle
> drivers. This is a *lot* of changes, I am not afraid about the work to do
> but there is a significant code impact and the entire behavior of the
> cpuidle framework for all the arch will be changed.

I'm not sure it would be a lot of work, add it in the common cpuidle
code before calling the driver init?

> So given the points above, why not have one poll function, generic, and if
> we fail to find an idle state or if the req is zero, then fallback to the
> poll loop ?

I could agree but only if we keep the poll loop generic, we cannot go
add yet more arch hooks there.

> >Because the latter is actually arch specific, whereas the idle
> >polling thing is not. You can _always_ poll idle, its generic, its
> >valid, and its guaranteed the most responsive method.
> I agree with this point but this kind of loop is hardware optimized for x86.

well 'optimized' is a strong word there, the rep nop, or pause
instruction isn't really much at all and is mostly a SMT hint afaik.
ia64, sparc64 and ppc64 have similar magic and s390 and hexagon use a vm
yield like construct.

> On the other arch, where today this loop is never used, if we change the
> behavior of the cpuidle framework and introduces this loop, it may be
> selected and stay on this state for a long time (resulting from a bad
> prediction), I am afraid that can lead to some thermal issues.

Because of 1), right? Yes that's a problem.

kernel/sched/idle.c | 6 +++++-
kernel/softirq.c | 7 +++++++
2 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/kernel/sched/idle.c b/kernel/sched/idle.c
index c47fce75e666..9c76ae92650f 100644
--- a/kernel/sched/idle.c
+++ b/kernel/sched/idle.c
@@ -42,12 +42,16 @@ static int __init cpu_idle_nopoll_setup(char *__unused)
__setup("hlt", cpu_idle_nopoll_setup);

+DEFINE_PER_CPU(unsigned int, int_seq);
static inline int cpu_idle_poll(void)
+ unsigned int seq = this_cpu_read(int_seq);
trace_cpu_idle_rcuidle(0, smp_processor_id());
- while (!tif_need_resched())
+ while (!tif_need_resched() && seq == this_cpu_read(int_seq))
trace_cpu_idle_rcuidle(PWR_EVENT_EXIT, smp_processor_id());
diff --git a/kernel/softirq.c b/kernel/softirq.c
index 0699add19164..bc8d43545964 100644
--- a/kernel/softirq.c
+++ b/kernel/softirq.c
@@ -370,6 +370,8 @@ static inline void tick_irq_exit(void)

+DECLARE_PER_CPU(unsigned int, int_seq);
* Exit an interrupt context. Process softirqs if needed and possible:
@@ -386,6 +388,11 @@ void irq_exit(void)
if (!in_interrupt() && local_softirq_pending())

+ if (test_thread_flag(TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG))
+ this_cpu_inc(int_seq);
trace_hardirq_exit(); /* must be last! */

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