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SubjectRe: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:44:55PM -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 06:29:35PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:01:17PM -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > <rant>
> > > I'm sitting on top of over 170 more patches that have been marked for
> > > the stable releases right now that are not included in this set of
> > > releases. The fact that there are this many patches for stable stuff
> > > that are waiting to be merged through the main -rc1 merge window cycle
> > > is worrying to me.
> > >
> > > Why are subsystem maintainers holding on to fixes that are
> > > _supposedly_ affecting all users? I mean, 21 powerpc core changes
> > > that I don't see until a -rc1 merge? It's as if developers don't
> > > expect people to use a .0 release and are relying on me to get the
> > > fixes they have burried in their trees out to users. That's not that
> > > nice. 6 "core" iscsi-target fixes? That's the sign of either a
> > > broken subsystem maintainer, or a lack of understanding what the
> > > normal -rc kernel releases are supposed to be for.
> >
> > I get the impression as soon as we hit -rc1, some maintainers immediately
> > go into "OH SHIT, I CAN'T SEND PATCHES OR LINUS WILL SHOUT AT ME" mode.
>
> I agree. But it seems that I need to now start shouting at them :(
>
Just like others, I now have a cutoff-point for -stable patches. Depending on
the severity of a bug, it is somewhere between -rc4 and -rc6. After -rc6 I only
push regressions and crash fixes; the rest has to wait for the commit window.

So, yes, there are a couple of hwmon patches in your list.

From a maintainer perspective, seems to me we are stuck between a rock and a
hard place. Yes, I would prefer to push all -stable material even late in the
-rc game, but that is not how things work nowadays anymore.

This should really be discussed at the Kernel Summit. Overall, I don't really
care too much how to handle it. Just tell me. The outlook of "Either Linus
will shout at you or Greg will" doesn't sound like a good solution, though.

Guenter


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