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SubjectRe: Debugging system freezes on filesystem writes
On 05.12.2012 17:32, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Tue 27-11-12 18:14:42, Marcus Sundman wrote:
>> On 22.11.2012 01:30, Jan Kara wrote:
>>> On Fri 16-11-12 03:11:22, Marcus Sundman wrote:
>>>> On 13.11.2012 15:51, Jan Kara wrote:
>>>>> On Fri 09-11-12 15:12:43, Marcus Sundman wrote:
>>>>>> On 09.11.2012 01:41, Marcus Sundman wrote:
>>>>>>> On 07.11.2012 18:17, Jan Kara wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri 02-11-12 04:19:24, Marcus Sundman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Also, and this might be important, according to iotop there is
>>>>>>>>> almost no disk writing going on during the freeze. (Occasionally
>>>>>>>>> there are a few MB/s, but mostly it's 0-200 kB/s.) Well, at least
>>>>>>>>> when an iotop running on nice -20 hasn't frozen completely, which it
>>>>>>>>> does during the more severe freezes.
>>>>>>>> OK, it seems as if your machine has some problems with memory
>>>>>>>> allocations. Can you capture /proc/vmstat before the freeze and
>>>>>>>> after the
>>>>>>>> freeze and send them for comparison. Maybe it will show us what is the
>>>>>>>> system doing.
>>>>>>> t=01:06 http://sundman.iki.fi/vmstat.pre-freeze.txt
>>>>>>> t=01:08 http://sundman.iki.fi/vmstat.during-freeze.txt
>>>>>>> t=01:12 http://sundman.iki.fi/vmstat.post-freeze.txt
>>>>>> Here are some more vmstats:
>>>>>> http://sundman.iki.fi/vmstats.tar.gz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are from running this:
>>>>>> while true; do cat /proc/vmstat > "vmstat.$(date +%FT%X).txt"; sleep
>>>>>> 10; done
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There were lots and lots of freezes for almost 20 mins from 14:37:45
>>>>>> onwards, pretty much constantly, but at 14:56:50 the freezes
>>>>>> suddenly stopped and everything went back to how it should be.
>>>>> I was looking into the data but they didn't show anything problematic.
>>>>> The machine seems to be writing a lot but there's always some free memory,
>>>>> even direct reclaim isn't ever entered. Hum, actually you wrote iotop isn't
>>>>> showing much IO going on but vmstats show there is about 1 GB written
>>>>> during the freeze. It is not a huge amount given the time span but it
>>>>> certainly gives a few MB/s of write load.
>>>> I didn't watch iotop during this particular freeze. I'll try to keep
>>>> an eye on iotop in the future. Is there some particular options I
>>>> should run iotop with, or is a "nice -n -20 iotop -od3" fine?
>>> I'm not really familiar with iotop :). Usually I use iostat...
>> OK, which options for iostat should I use then? :)
> I'm back from vacation. Sorry for the delay. You can use
> iostat -x 1

Just when you got back I started my pre-vacation work stress and am now
ending my post-vacation work-stress.. :)

That iostat -x 1 shows %util as 100 and w_await at 2,000 - 70,000.. like so:

avg-cpu: %user %nice %system %iowait %steal %idle
9.05 0.00 1.51 66.33 0.00 23.12
Device: rrqm/s wrqm/s r/s w/s rkB/s wkB/s
avgrq-sz avgqu-sz await r_await w_await svctm %util
sda 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.00 0.00 184.00
368.00 137.08 62199.00 0.00 62199.00 1000.00 100.00


>>>>> There's surprisingly high number of allocations going on but that may be
>>>>> due to the IO activity. So let's try something else: Can you switch to
>>>>> console and when the hang happens press Alt-Sysrq-w (or you can just do
>>>>> "echo w >/proc/sysrq-trigger" if the machine is live enough to do that).
>>>>> Then send me the output from dmesg. Thanks!
>>>> Sure! Here are two:
>>>> http://sundman.iki.fi/dmesg-1.txt
>>>> http://sundman.iki.fi/dmesg-2.txt
>>> Thanks for those and sorry for the delay (I was busy with other stuff).
>>> I had a look into those traces and I have to say I'm not much wiser. In the
>>> first dump there is just kswapd waiting for IO. In the second dump there
>>> are more processes waiting for IO (mostly for reads - nautilus,
>>> thunderbird, opera, ...) but nothing really surprising. So I'm lost what
>>> could cause the hangs you observe.
>> Yes, mostly it's difficult to trigger the sysrq thingy, because by
>> the time I manage to switch to the console or running that echo to
>> proc in a terminal the worst is already over.
> I see. Maybe you could have something like
> while true; do echo w >/proc/sysrq-trigger; sleep 10; done
> running in the background?

Sure, but I suspect it'll take until the worst is over before it manages
to load and execute that "echo w".

>>> Recalling you wrote even simple programs
>>> like top hang, maybe it is some CPU scheduling issue? Can you boot with
>>> noautogroup kernel option?
>> Sure. I've been running with noautogroup for almost a week now, but
>> no big change one way or the other. (E.g., it's still impossible to
>> listen to music, because the songs will start skipping/looping
>> several times during each song even if there isn't any big "hang"
>> happening. And uncompressing a 100 MB archive (with nice '19' and
>> ionice 'idle') is still, after a while, followed by a couple of
>> minutes of superhigh I/O wait causing everything to become really
>> slow.)
> Hum, I'm starting to wander what's so special about your system that you
> see these hangs while noone else seems to be hitting them. Your kernel is a
> standard one from Ubuntu so tons of people run it. Your HW doesn't seem to
> be too special either.
>
> BTW the fact that you ionice 'tar' doesn't change anything because all the
> writes are done in the context of kernel flusher thread (tar just writes
> data into cache). But still it shouldn't lock the machine up. What might be
> interesting test though is running:
> dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1M count=200 oflags=direct
>
> Does this trigger any hangs?

Yes, sure. If I run nothing else then it's not so severe, but the system
is still quite unusable during the time it runs that dd.

Also, the speeds are closer to an Amiga500-era floppy drive than to an
SSD from 2012 which this is:

$ dd if=/dev/zero of=iotest-file bs=1M count=200 oflag=direct
200+0 records in
200+0 records out
209715200 bytes (210 MB) copied, 171.701 s, 1.2 MB/s
$


Regards,
Marcus



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