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SubjectRe: [PATCHv3 0/5] coupled cpuidle state support
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Lorenzo Pieralisi
<> wrote:
> Hi Colin,
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:37:30PM +0100, Colin Cross wrote:

>> On Tegra3, the deepest individual cpu state for cpus 1-3 is OFF, the
>> same state the cpu would go into as the first step of a transition to
>> a deeper power state (cpus 0-3 OFF).  It would be more optimal in that
>> case to bypass the SMP cross call, and leave the cpu in OFF, but that
>> would require some way of disabling all wakeups for the secondary cpus
>> and then verifying that they didn't start waking up just before the
>> wakeups were disabled.  I have just started considering this
>> optimization, but I don't see anything in the existing code that would
>> prevent adding it later.
> I agree it is certainly an optimization that can be added later if benchmarks
> show it is needed (but again it is heavily platform dependent, ie technology
> dependent).
> On a side note, disabling (or move to the primary) wake-ups for "secondaries"
> on platforms where every core is in a different power domain is still needed
> to avoid having a situation where a CPU can independently get out of idle, ie
> abort idle, after hitting the coupled barrier.
> Still do not know if for those platforms coupled C-states should be used, but
> it is much better to have a choice there IMHO.

Yes, that is the primary need for the coupled_cpuidle_parallel_barrier
function - secondary cpus need to disable their wakeup sources, then
check that a wakeup was not already pending and abort if necessary.

> I have also started thinking about a cluster or multi-CPU "next-event" that
> could avoid triggering heavy operations like L2 cleaning (ie cluster shutdown)
> if a timer is about to expire on a given CPU (as you know CPUs get in and out
> of idle independently so the governor decision at the point the coupled state
> barrier is hit might be stale).

It would be possible to re-check the governor to decide the next state
(maybe only if the previous decision is out of date by more than the
target_residency?), but I left that as an additional optimization.

> I reckon the coupled C-state concept can prove to be an effective one for
> some platforms, currently benchmarking it.
>> A simple measurement using the tracing may show that it is
>> unnecessary.  If the wakeup time for CPU1 to go from OFF to active is
>> small there might be no need to optimize out the extra wakeup.
> Indeed, it is all about resetting the CPU and getting it started, with
> inclusive L2 the power cost of shutting down a CPU and resuming it should be
> low (and timing very fast) for most platforms.

The limiting factor may be the amount of time spent in ROM/Trustzone
code when bringing a cpu back online.
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