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    SubjectRe: [PATCH] ACPI: evaluate _PS3 when entering D3 Cold
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    On Thursday, April 05, 2012, Lin Ming wrote:
    > On Sun, 2012-04-01 at 09:23 +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > > Sorry for the delayed response, I've been travelling recently.
    > >
    > > On Sunday, April 01, 2012, Lin Ming wrote:
    > > > On Sun, 2012-04-01 at 13:56 +0800, Aaron Lu wrote:
    > > > > Hi,
    > > > >
    > > > > On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 01:27:33PM +0800, Lin Ming wrote:
    > > > > > > - if (device->power.states[state].flags.explicit_set) {
    > > > > > > + /* If state is D3 Cold, try to evaluate _PS3 first */
    > > > > > > + if (state == ACPI_STATE_D3_COLD) {
    > > > > > > + explicit_set = (ps - 1)->flags.explicit_set;
    > > > > > > + object_name[3] -= 1;
    > > > > > > + }
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I'm not sure whether this works or not.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > From ACPI spec,
    > > > > >
    > > > > > _PS3 "is used to put the specific device into its D3hot or D3 state"
    > > > > >
    > > > > > D3 neither means D3hot nor D3cold. It's an old term before D3hot and
    > > > > > D3cold were introduced.
    > > > > I guess D3 has to mean something, right? :-)
    > >
    > > Well, not necessarily.
    > >
    > > The problem is what state the _PS3 method puts the device into: D3_hot or
    > > D3_cold.
    > >
    > > Unfortunately, as far as I can say, ACPI 4.0 didn't specify any "official"
    > > mapping between the "old" D3 and the "new" D3_{hod|cold} states, so we need to
    > > figure out something. In my opinion, the only reasonable approach is to
    > > assume that the state _PS3 puts the device into is always D3_cold, becuase
    > > _PS3 may remove power completely from the device. It may not do that, but
    > > we _must_ assume it does that in general.
    > >
    > > > > Here is the problem, there is no _PR3 in AMD's implementation, just _PS3.
    > > > > And since _S0W evaluates 4, I've to put this device into D3 cold state
    > > > > with _PS3.
    > > > >
    > > > > And the ACPI does have some words like:
    > > > >
    > > > > ------
    > > > > Platform/drivers must assume that the device will have power completely
    > > > > removed when the device is place into “D3” via _PS3
    > >
    > > Exactly. What it means is basically "always reinitialize the device from
    > > scratch if you have run _PS3 on it". And that's what we should do.
    > >
    > > > > ------
    > > > >
    > > > > This is in section 7.2.11: _PR3.
    > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Another problem:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > With your patch, both D3hot and D3cold will evaluate _PS3, right?
    > > > > >
    > > > > Yes.
    > > > >
    > > > > > Will it have problem on AMD platform if you try to put ODD into D3hot
    > > > > > state? _PS3 is evaluated, so it actually enters D3Cold state.
    > > > >
    > > > > There is no D3 hot support for this device(from the firmware's
    > > > > perspective), either it is at D0(via _PS0), or it will be at D3 cold(via
    > > > > _PS3).
    > > >
    > > > But this is the generic code. We can't only consider some special
    > > > device.
    > > >
    > > > Maybe we need some flag to tell which D3 state _PS3 is used for.
    > >
    > > No, please. As I said above, we need to reinitialize devices that _PS3 was
    > > executed on, which is equivalent to saying that those devices were put into
    > > D3_cold.
    > >
    > > The only situation where a device can be put into ACPI D3_hot (which is not
    > > the same as PCI D3_hot, mind you) is when:
    > >
    > > (1) There is _PR3 listing some of the device's power resources as "on".
    > > (2) The power resources listed by the _PR3 as "off" are turned off and the
    > > power resources listed by the _PR3 as "on" are left in the "on" state.
    >
    > (1) and (2) seems conflict.
    >
    > (1) means all power resources listed in _PR3 are "on", but
    > (2) means some power resources listed in _PR3 are "off" and others are
    > "on"
    >
    > Is my understanding correct?

    Not really, sorry for the confusion. As I said in another message, if _PR3 is
    present, there are two lists of resources, the one returned by _PR3 and the
    one returned by _PR0 (which lists all power resources the device depends on).

    So (1) above really means "power resources returned by _PR3 are on" and (2) means
    "the power resources listed by _PR0 and not by _PR3 are in the 'off' state,
    while the ones listed by both _PR0 and _PR3 are in the 'on' state".

    In theory, there may be power resources that are listed by _PR3 and not by
    _PR0, but that would be a very strange case in practice.

    Thanks,
    Rafael
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