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SubjectRe: INFO: possible circular locking dependency detected
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On Friday 15 July 2011 12:56:13 Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 06:11:55PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 08:59 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >
> > > > Because we're in irq_exit(), after decrementing preempt_count, so
> > > > in_irq() returns false.
> > >
> > > Can we delay decrementing preempt_count so that RCU has some chance
> > > of actually working?
> >
> > No, softirqs must be ran with in_irq() being false.
>
> How about just through the wakeup, not across the softirqs themselves?
>
> > > > No, the *BANG* being that we end up calling rcu_read_unlock_special()
> > > > while holding scheduler locks, which is BAD(tm).
> > >
> > > Well, it certainly is BAD(tm) if you guys continue to deprive
> > > rcu_read_unlock_special() of the means of determining whether it is
> > > being invoked from hardware irq handler context.
> >
> > hard irq handler isn't really the problem here, its the nested softirq
> > code that is.
>
> More specifically, the calls to the scheduler. Which in turn is now
> problematic due to the addition of RCU read-side critical sections in
> code holding rq and pi locks. I clearly failed to fully think through
> the consequences of adding those rcu_read_unlock() calls.
>
> > > > > (Which I believe, perhaps
> > > > > incorrectly, to be prevented by the fact that all modifications to
> > > > > ->rcu_read_unlock_special are carried out with irqs disabled on the
> > > > > corresponding CPU, at least given no RCU_BOOST.) The check for in_irq()
> > > > > should prevent the from-irq rcu_read_unlock_special() from attempting
> > > > > to acquire any locks.
> > > >
> > > > Right, so in_irq() simply checks a few bits in preempt_count, which we
> > > > just cleared due to being in irq_exit().
> > >
> > > Right. So how about delaying clearing those bits until after you get
> > > done messing with the scheduler from hardware irq handler context?
> >
> > Can't do.
>
> "messing with the scheduler", not "executing softirq handlers".
>
> > > > But in_irq() isn't sufficient for RCU usage after the hardirq ends, see
> > > > irq_exit(). Also there's all of softirq to consider, that too can run
> > > > and not get caught by in_irq().
> > >
> > > Change the rules without adjusting the callers can in fact result in some
> > > breakage. ;-)
> >
> > There's no changing the rules here, this is how its worked for a very
> > long time indeed. Softirqs can run from the hardirq tail.
>
> OK, my complaint was due to my believing that local_irq_save() was
> invoking the scheduler.
>
> > > The bit about local_irq_save() and local_irq_restore() invoking the
> > > scheduler is rather surprising -- is there a raw_ version that avoids
> > > this?
> >
> > They don't, they might for -rt, but that's a different story. But
> > looking at the latest version I have its only local_irq_save_rt() and
> > friends that do that.
>
> Whew! ;-)
>
> > > > > 3. It is possible that the task is preempted after the
> > > > > --rcu_read_lock_nesting, in which case the task won't be queued.
> > > > > Of course the task might already be queued if there was an
> > > > > earlier preemption during this same RCU read-side critical
> > > > > section, in which case #2 applies.
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words, a preemption in __rcu_read_unlock() after the
> > > > > --rcu_read_lock_nesting has no effect on RCU state: either the
> > > > > task was already marked RCU_READ_UNLOCK_BLOCKED, or it wasn't.
> > > > > Either way, rcu_note_context_switch() does not see this task as
> > > > > being in an RCU read-side critical section.
> > > > >
> > > > > So what am I missing here?
> > > >
> > > > $task IRQ SoftIRQ
> > > >
> > > > rcu_read_lock()
> > > >
> > > > /* do stuff */
> > > >
> > > > <preempt> |= UNLOCK_BLOCKED
> > > >
> > > > rcu_read_unlock()
> > > > --t->rcu_read_lock_nesting
> > > >
> > > > irq_enter();
> > > > /* do stuff, don't use RCU */
> > > > irq_exit();
> > > > sub_preempt_count(IRQ_EXIT_OFFSET);
> > > > invoke_softirq()
> > >
> > > Why can't we exchange the order of the above two so that RCU correctly
> > > avoids messing with the scheduler if called from hardware interrupt
> > > context?
> >
> > Because softirqs != hardirq ? This has been so like forever, can't go
> > change the semantics of this without risking tons of borkage. Every time
> > we try to change softirq semantics (we tried with -rt, because softirqs
> > are a massive pain) everything goes tits up fast.
> >
> > > >
> > > > ttwu();
> > > > spin_lock_irq(&pi->lock)
> > > > rcu_read_lock();
> > > > /* do stuff */
> > > > rcu_read_unlock();
> > > > rcu_read_unlock_special()
> > > > rcu_report_exp_rnp()
> > > > ttwu()
> > > > spin_lock_irq(&pi->lock) /* deadlock */
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > rcu_read_unlock_special(t);
> > > >
> > > > Ed can simply trigger this 'easy' because invoke_softirq() immediately
> > > > does a ttwu() of ksoftirqd/# instead of doing the in-place softirq stuff
> > > > first, but even without that the above happens.
> > >
> > > An easily reproduced bug is certainly a nice change of pace...
> > >
> > > > Something like the below _might_ fix it..
> > >
> > > Maybe, but how does tglx make PREEMPT_RT work in this case? The problem
> > > is that PREEMPT_RT allows ksoftirqd to be preempted, and thus allows it
> > > to be RCU priority boosted.
> >
> > RT is mostly easier since it doesn't nest as many contexts, softirqs for
> > example always run in task context, and the only way to run them in a
> > random tasks' context is through local_bh_enable() and since there's no
> > local_bh_enable() call in the middle of __rcu_read_unlock() you're
> > pretty good there.
> >
> > I know tglx has some softirq changes he hasn't yet shared with me, but
> > if the patch I send earlier fixes the problem for mainline, I'm fairly
> > confident I can cook one up for him as well.
>
> OK. Ed, would you be willing to try the patch out?

I am booted at the same git commit with a bluetooth and the disable local_bh around softirq()
patch from this thread. So far so good. Not sure how 'easy' this one is to trigger a second time -
I've been running with threadirq enabled since .39 came out. Last night was the first deadlock...
If nothing happened post rc6 to make it more likely it could be a while before it triggers again.

Thanks
Ed


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