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    SubjectRe: [PATCH v5 00/21] EVM
    On Thu 2011-05-26 12:30:07, Casey Schaufler wrote:
    > On 5/26/2011 11:38 AM, Pavel Machek wrote:
    > > On Thu 2011-05-26 14:11:54, David Safford wrote:
    > >> On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 09:34 -0700, Casey Schaufler wrote:
    > >>> On 5/25/2011 11:08 PM, Pavel Machek wrote:
    > >>>> ...
    > >>>> Fourthly, is it likely to find its way to the next cellphone I buy,
    > >>>> and will it prevent me from rooting it?
    > >>> That will of course depend on the phone vendor. You are certainly
    > >>> going to be able to vote with your checkbook (digital wallet?) but
    > >>> odds are pretty good that should EVM prove effective it will be
    > >>> ubiquitous within the next five years on embedded devices.
    > > Hmm. But maybe it is more effective to vote with NAKs, now? It does
    > > not seem to have any non-evil uses.
    > >
    > > Phone vendors will play nasty tricks on us, but... why make it easy
    > > for them?
    >
    > For one thing, it is probable that in the not-too-distant future
    > the phone will not be yours. Many service providers are moving in
    > the direction of zero-cost phones. The subscriber will pay the

    Really? References?

    No, I don't think this is going to happen, for variety of reasons. 1)
    prepaid cards, 2) phones are easily damaged, 3) phones are often stolen.

    > Most people will not notice the difference. Consider this a
    > nasty trick if you want to. I expect that the average consumer

    I _do_ consider it nasty trick...

    > Welcome to computers in the 21st century.

    ...and I do not want to help people playing nasty tricks. Protection
    against offline attacks should not be merged.

    Pavel
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