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    SubjectRe: [PATCH 3/3] kref: Remove the memory barriers
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    On Sat, 2011-12-10 at 23:57 +0800, Ming Lei wrote:

    > CPU0 CPU1
    >
    > atomic_set(v)
    > smp_mb()
    > smp_mb()
    > atomic_dec_and_test(v)
    >
    > Without the barrier after atomic_set, CPU1 may see a stale
    > value of v first, then decrease it, so may miss a release operation.

    Your example is doubly broken. If there's concurrency possible with
    atomic_set() you've lost.

    Lets change it to kref_get() aka atomic_inc():

    CPU0 CPU1

    atomic_inc()
    atomic_dec_and_test()

    and

    atomic_dec_and_test()
    atomic_inc()

    For if the first is possible, then so is the second.

    This illustrates that no matter how many barriers you put in, you're
    still up shit creek without no paddle because the kref_put() can come in
    before you do the kref_get(), making the kref_get() the invalid
    operation.

    > The pair of smp_mb can make order between atomic_set
    > and atomic_dec_and_test, can't it?

    No. Because there's nothing stopping the dec from happening before the
    set/inc.

    > > If there's a destruction race with kref_put() the barrier won't
    >
    > Sorry, could you say what the destruction race is?

    The race to 0-refs, iow. the case above when you assume both cases start
    out with 1 ref.




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