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    SubjectRe: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three
    On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Theodore Tso <> wrote:
    > One thing I'm not clear on --- what's your goal?   Is your goal to keep suspend-blockers out of the kernel?   Is it to try to convince the android team suspend-blockers are a bad idea and to change Android to not use them?  Is it to push some other agenda?  Is it to discourage the Android team from trying to waste more time trying to get suspend-blockers (or equivalent functionality) from being added into the kernel?

    My goal is to shine light. I've heard many invalid arguments in favor
    of suspend blockers, I want to shut them down.

    In my mind it's crystal clear that independently of what opportunistic
    suspend is supposed to be fixing, the fact of the matter is that it's
    not a silver bullet as it's claimed to be.

    So far, nobody has refuted these:
    1) opportunistic suspend needs a good behaved user-space to work properly
    2) if suspend blockers are enabled in a system, *all* user-space must
    implement them to work correctly
    3) implementing suspend blockers in user-space is not a straight-forward task
    4) there's a point where sleeping (not doing work) has diminished returns

    So, as the length of this thread has shown, the benefits of
    opportunistic suspend are *dubious* at best, and more likely not worth
    the changes needed in user-space which eventually will get pretty
    close to what suspend blockers can achieve even in ideal circumstances
    by just doing dynamic PM.

    Felipe Contreras
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