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SubjectRe: [git pull] drm request 3
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Linus Torvalds
<> wrote:
> Hmm. What the hell am I supposed to do about
>        (II) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] nouveau interface version: 0.0.16
>        (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] wrong version, expecting 0.0.15
>        (EE) NOUVEAU(0): 879:
> now?

You can update your userspace components. No compatibility is offered
between versions in any direction.

> What happened to the whole backwards compatibility thing? I wasn't even
> warned that this breaks existing user space. That makes it impossible to
> _test_ new kernels. Upgrading X and the kernel in lock-step is not a valid
> model, lots of people are just using some random distribution (F12 in my
> case), and you just broke it.
> I see the commit that does this was very aware of it:
>        commit a1606a9596e54da90ad6209071b357a4c1b0fa82
>        Author: Ben Skeggs <>
>        Date:   Fri Feb 12 10:27:35 2010 +1000
>            drm/nouveau: new gem pushbuf interface, bump to 0.0.16
>            This commit breaks the userspace interface, and requires a new libdrm for
>            nouveau to operate again.
>            The multiple GEM_PUSHBUF ioctls that were present in 0.0.15 for
>            compatibility purposes are now gone, and replaced with the new ioctl which
>            allows for multiple push buffers to be submitted (necessary for hw index
>            buffers in the nv50 3d driver) and relocations to be applied on any buffer.
>            A number of other ioctls (CARD_INIT, GEM_PIN, GEM_UNPIN) that were needed
>            for userspace modesetting have also been removed.
>            Signed-off-by: Ben Skeggs <>
>            Signed-off-by: Francisco Jerez <>
> but why the hell wasn't I made aware of it before-hand? Quite frankly, I
> probably wouldn't have pulled it.
> We can't just go around breaking peoples setups. This driver is, like it
> or not, used by Fedora-12 (and probably other distros). It may say
> "staging", but that doesn't change the fact that it's in production use by
> huge distributions. Flag days aren't acceptable.
>                Linus
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