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SubjectRe: [PATCH -mmotm 0/5] memcg: per cgroup dirty limit (v6)
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:38:41AM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > >
> > > bdi_thres ~= per_memory_cgroup_dirty * bdi_fraction
> > >
> > > But bdi_nr_reclaimable and bdi_nr_writeback stats are still global.
> > >
> > Why bdi_thresh of ROOT cgroup doesn't depend on global number ?
> >
>
> I think in current implementation ROOT cgroup bdi_thres is always same
> as global number. It is only for other child groups where it is different
> from global number because of reduced dirytable_memory() limit. And we
> don't seem to be allowing any control on root group.
>
> But I am wondering, what happens in following case.
>
> IIUC, with use_hierarhy=0, if I create two test groups test1 and test2, then
> hierarchy looks as follows.
>
> root test1 test2
>
> Now root group's DIRTYABLE is still system wide but test1 and test2's
> dirtyable will be reduced based on RES_LIMIT in those groups.
>
> Conceptually, per cgroup dirty ratio is like fixing page cache share of
> each group. So effectively we are saying that these limits apply to only
> child group of root but not to root as such?

Correct. In this implementation root cgroup means "outside all cgroups".
I think this can be an acceptable behaviour since in general we don't
set any limit to the root cgroup.

>
> > > So for the same number of dirty pages system wide on this bdi, we will be
> > > triggering writeouts much more aggressively if somebody has created few
> > > memory cgroups and tasks are running in those cgroups.
> > >
> > > I guess it might cause performance regressions in case of small file
> > > writeouts because previously one could have written the file to cache and
> > > be done with it but with this patch set, there are higher changes that
> > > you will be throttled to write the pages back to disk.
> > >
> > > I guess we need two pieces to resolve this.
> > > - BDI stats per cgroup.
> > > - Writeback of inodes from same cgroup.
> > >
> > > I think BDI stats per cgroup will increase the complextiy.
> > >
> > Thank you for clarification. IIUC, dirty_limit implemanation shoul assume
> > there is I/O resource controller, maybe usual users will use I/O resource
> > controller and memcg at the same time.
> > Then, my question is what happens when used with I/O resource controller ?
> >
>
> Currently IO resource controller keep all the async IO queues in root
> group so we can't measure exactly. But my guess is until and unless we
> at least implement "writeback inodes from same cgroup" we will not see
> increased flow of writes from one cgroup over other cgroup.

Agreed. And I plan to look a the "writeback inodes per cgroup" feature
soon. I'm sorry but I've some deadlines this week, so probably I'll
start working on this in the next weekend.

-Andrea


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