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SubjectRe: acpi_idle: Very idle Core i7 machine never enters C3
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:45:20PM +0100, Andi Kleen wrote:
> jeff@jgarrett.org (Jeff Garrett) writes:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was trying to chase down a theory that my desktop machine (a core i7)
> > is running warm (the fan sounds like it's at full speed all the time,
> > and I think it's not always acted this way -- hence the theory).
> >
> > powertop is never showing it spending any time in C3...
> >
> > I compiled a kernel without USB/sound/radeon, and ran without X. I was
> > able to get the wakeups/sec down below 20, but no time is spent in C3.
>
> [...]
> > This may be a complete red herring, but I added some printk logic to
> > acpi_idle_bm_check(), and it is getting called often, but bm_status is
> > always 1. [I infer from this that the idle logic is trying to go into
> > C3, but this check is stopping it... Unless I misread something.]
>
> Normally a Core i7 (or any modern Intel systems) should not use
> bm_check at all. That's only for older systems that didn't support
> MWAIT with c-state hint, but relied on the old port based interface.

bm_check = 1, bm_control = 0

I don't know what any of this means. :)

I tried changing processor_idle.c. It reads (for C3):
1106 state->enter = pr->flags.bm_check ?
1107 acpi_idle_enter_bm :
1108 acpi_idle_enter_simple;

So it always calls acpi_idle_enter_bm in my case. I tried modifying it
to call acpi_idle_enter_simple for entering C3 instead. When I did
this, it did make it into C3 according to powertop, but the wakeups per
second grew by at least 10x. I couldn't get that below ~400-800/s, and
the residency in C3 was limited to about ~50%, as reported by powertop.

> So something is already confused there.

Might just be me. :)

> I think it should still work though.
> Of course if you really have a lot of bus mastering in the background
> then yes there will be no C3.
>
> -Andi

I have no idea what counts as bus mastering (is it just DMA transfers to
PCI devices?)... But with a fairly idle system, with things like USB
configured out, what could be doing it if it exists? Would there be
some nice function I could instrument with a few printk's to, to see? I
compiled with PCI_DEBUG=y, and "bus master" doesn't show up in the
dmesg.

-Jeff


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