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    SubjectRe: [RFD] Automatic suspend
    On Tue 2009-03-03 16:06:02, Arve Hj?nnev?g wrote:
    > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
    > > Hi!
    > >
    > >> >> > Not ignoring, but considering them as insufficient.  And since they've already
    > >> >> > been considered as insufficient, there's no point repeating them over and over
    > >> >> > again.  That doesn't make them any better.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> The problem is that what you consider insufficient is what allows us
    > >> >> to ship a product.
    > >> >
    > >> > This doesn't matter a whit, because the mainline kernel is not just your
    > >> > product.
    > >>
    > >> Unless you are saying that changes in the mainline kernel does not
    > >> need be usable in practice, then it does matter. If we remove the
    > >> feature that allows us to interact with existing code, it will take
    > >> much longer before it is usable by anyone.
    > >
    > > Well, taking longer before "being usable" is good tradeoff if it means
    > > "we get cleaner/actually correct system in mainline sooner".
    >
    > I think this could go either way. If the system is usable, it may get
    > more use from developers that know how to improve a specific subsystem
    > to not use timeouts. Or, it may be considered good enough, and nobody
    > bothers coming up with a correct solution. I think the latter is what
    > you are worried will happen.

    Yep.

    > >> I submitted them three weeks ago. I'll submit a new set after I rename
    > >> the api (presumably to suspend_block(er)) but I would like more
    > >> agreement on the timeout issue first.
    > >
    > > I do believe that everyone (including you :-) agrees that timeouts are
    > > ugly hack. So just reorder the series so they come at the end.
    >
    > No, I think many uses of timeouts are a ugly hack, not all, but OK I
    > will try to move timeout support to a separate patch.

    Thanks.

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