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SubjectRe: Linux 2.6.29
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Theodore Tso <> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:14:51AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> All I can do is apologize to all other filesystem developers profusely
> for ext3's data=ordered semantics; at this point, I very much regret
> that we made data=ordered the default for ext3.  But the application
> writers vastly outnumber us, and realistically we're not going to be
> able to easily roll back eight years of application writers being
> trained that fsync() is not necessary, and actually is detrimental for
> ext3.
I am slightly confused by the "data=ordered" thing that everyone is
mentioning of late. In theory, it made sense to me before I tried it.
I switched to mounting my ext3 as ext4, and I'm still seeing
seriously delayed fsyncs. Theodore, I used a modified version of your
fsync-tester.c to bench 1M writes, while doing a dd, and I'm still
getting *almost* as bad of "fsync" performance as I was on ext3. On
ext3, the fsync would usually not finish until the dd was complete.

I am currently using Linus' tree at v2.6.29, in x86_64 mode. If you
need more info, let me know.

tdamac ~ # mount
/dev/mapper/s-sys on / type ext4 (rw)

dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/bigfile bs=1M count=2000

Your modified fsync test renamed to fs-bench...
tdamac kernel-sluggish # ./fs-bench --sync
write (sync: 1) time: 0.0301
write (sync: 1) time: 0.2098
write (sync: 1) time: 0.0291
write (sync: 1) time: 0.0264
write (sync: 1) time: 1.1664
write (sync: 1) time: 4.0421
write (sync: 1) time: 4.3212
write (sync: 1) time: 3.5316
write (sync: 1) time: 18.6760
write (sync: 1) time: 3.7851
write (sync: 1) time: 13.6281
write (sync: 1) time: 19.4889
write (sync: 1) time: 15.4923
write (sync: 1) time: 7.3491
write (sync: 1) time: 0.0269
write (sync: 1) time: 0.0275

This topic is important to me, as it has been affecting my home
machine quite a bit. I can test things as I have time.

Lastly, is there any way data=ordered could be re-written to be
"smart" about not making other processes wait on fsync? Or is that
sort of thing only handled in the scheduler? (not a kernel hacker

Sorry if I'm interrupting. Perhaps I should even be starting another thread?
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