Messages in this thread | | | Date | Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:53:46 -0700 | From | "Grant Grundler" <> | Subject | Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] KS Topic Proposal: Vendor and User problems with the Kernel |
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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:21 AM, James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote: > This proposal is a bit different from a concrete topic, but it's based > on the generally positive feedback from the end user panel last year. > It's to allocate 2h of Kernel summit to discuss problems raised by > vendors and end users. The format I'm proposing is 10 minutes of > problem introduction by someone from the vendor or user representative > who is a subject matter expert and 20 minutes of discussion (so, > hopefully four such problems). > > As usual, the difficulty is actually finding people from the vendor and > user community willing to do such a presentation (and ensuring they > won't simply want to talk about their problems with X distro enterprise > kernels). The way I think we might get some diverse problems is to send > out a call for participation.
I think this is a good idea and I suggest using referrals since it's not just about the problem. It's also how it's presented. And it would be worth a few $K to pay for a good presenter who has something relevant to say. e.g. enough to cover travel/hotel plus something extra.
Secondly, these problems arise because second tier users aren't participating in the development. I see this CFP as a "Call For Participation" and not a "call for papers".
I also suggest trying to get representatives from different communities. e.g. education, handhelds, desktop (something other than gfx drivers, maybe revisit the user visible latency issues), HPC, database, etc. I left out "embedded" since that's now too vague, has been flogged to death in the past, and I _hope_ now has better participation.
The last issue I see is "Vendor" usually means HW vendor with a few major SW vendors (e.g. Oracle, SAP). Those guys have sufficient representation and I think some newer, smaller players (e.g. not google) would be more interesting to invite. Maybe dreamworks, pixar, or Ernie Ball Guitar Strings (http://www.ernieball.com/) might be examples.
hth, grant
> Something like. > > "The kernel summit programme committe is inviting proposals for > participation in the 2008 Kernel Summit in Portland Oregon (URL) from > members of the End User and Vendor communities wishing to raise > particular issues or problems they see with the current Linux Kernel. A > good problem presentation should stimulate discussion with the kernel > community, and as such the presenter should be a subject matter expert > capable of engaging in the debate. While the presenter may have a > preferred solution, they should concentrate on the problem and be > prepared to consider the effects of solutions outside of their preferred > one. It goes without saying that problems should have a significant > component which is susceptible to a solution within the Linux Kernel. > > "Proposals of around 500 words and describing the nature of the problem > and the credentials of the presenter should be forwarded to the Linux > Kernel Programme Committee at > <ksummit-2008-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org>" > > Obviously we'd have to circulate this beyond the usual mailing lists, > but we can solicit help from the Linux Foundation to do this. > > James > > > _______________________________________________ > Ksummit-2008-discuss mailing list > Ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org > https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-2008-discuss >
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