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    SubjectRe: CFD: (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments)
    [Randy Dunlap - Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:33:55PM -0700]
    | On Wed, 21 May 2008 22:57:25 +0400 Cyrill Gorcunov wrote:
    |
    | > [Andrew Morton - Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:46:44AM -0700]
    | > | On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:09:39 -0400 Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
    | > |
    | > | > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 06:32:06AM -0400, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
    | > | > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 01:50:37AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
    | > | > > > Oh, what a marvellous way to encourage new contributors that was. Thank
    | > | > > > you so much.
    | > | > > >
    | > | > > > For the record: Al speaks only for himself and a lack of expressed
    | > | > > > disagrement from others should not be taken as agreement.
    | > | > >
    | > | > > But I'd like to second the opinion. This is getting a little too far.
    | > | > > We should rather try to at least enforce very basic standards a lot of
    | > | > > the crap shoved in doesn't follow instead of wanking around about exact
    | > | > > placement of whitespaces.
    | > | >
    | > | > The real question is whether people who are wanking about whitespace
    | > | > and spelling fixes in comments will graduate to writing real, useful
    | > | > patches. If they won't, there's no point to encouraging them.
    | > | >
    | > |
    | > | Guys, get a clue. It doesn't matter what that person did. It is the
    | > | effect upon *all* other potential developers which is so damaging here.
    | > | Not upon this individual.
    | > |
    | >
    | > Btw, we have CodingStyle, SubmittingPatches and other, but why don't
    | > we have something like KernelNewbieGuide? Don't get me wrong, but
    | > there could be written all rules about - what is good to do, what is bad.
    | > So a newbiew who wants to be usefull for kernel could read it and decide
    | > what should be done. /Don't beat me ;) / And of course I know about
    | > kernelnewbie.org but this (even quite short) document could help I think.
    |
    | I did a talk on Linux "social engineering" at {OSCON, IEEE NW something,
    | and SCALE}. All about what (not) to do, how to do it, etc.
    | Slides for it are available in http://www.xenotime.net/linux/mentor/ .
    |
    |
    | ---
    | ~Randy
    |

    Anrew, Randy, you just wrote KernelNewbiesGuide I think ;) There are
    lot of internet sites which could help with what-to-do, and linux-mm.org
    and kernel.bugzilla.org and more BUT what I've tried to say is that we
    really have such document inside kernel tree (it could be really short)
    like:

    Which patches are not good for sending to LKML
    ----------------------------------------------

    - Plain whitespace cleanup

    Some rules just *known* only if you have an experience in LKML mailing
    but if someone is sending _first_ patch he ever made he just doesn't know
    that. That is all. So we need not a link to some inet resource BUT written
    in file inside of kernel tree. But that is just my (personal) opinion.

    - Cyrill -


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