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SubjectNoatime vs relatime
Linus Torvalds wrote:
> What we could do is to make "relatime" updates a bit smarter.
> A bit smarter would be:
> - update atime if the old atime is <= than mtime/ctime
> Logic: things like mailers can care about whether some
> new state has
> been read or not. This is the current relatime.
> - update atime if the old atime is more than X seconds
> in the past (defaulting to one day or something)
> Logic: things like tmpwatch and backup
> software may want to remove
> stuff that hasn't been touched in a long time, but they
> sure don't care about "exact" atime.

Relatime seems to be wasteful of both IO resources _and_ CPU cycles.
Instead of performing a single IO operation (as atime does), relatime
performs at least three IO operations and three CPU-dependent

1) a read IO operation to find out the old atime
2) a read IO operation to find out the old ctime
3) a read IO operation to find out the old mtime
4) Comparison of "old atime is <= than mtime/ctime"
5) Find out current time
6) Comparison of "current time minus old atime is > X"

People are going to wonder why all of the sudden everything is running
so slow due to atimes being updated after a long break.

I suggest treating atime as if it were a subsystem that is scheduled
for an overhaul - there have been plenty of those in the past. Give
users/distros a config option to disable atime, but default this
option in favor of atime for a couple of kernel release cycles. Print
a line in dmesg that states something like:

"Warning: Atime will be disabled by default in future kernel versions,
but you will still be able to turn it on when configuring the kernel."

This should give a heads-up to the 0.001% of people who still use
atime so that they know to customize this option or start using modern
file-monitoring techniques like inotify.


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