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    SubjectRe: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3
    On Jun 16, 2007, Al Viro <> wrote:

    > How the hell does that improve the situation for users?

    Maybe it doesn't. How does it make it worse?

    Maybe just providing an incentive for the vendor to respect users'
    freedoms will do the trick, and *some* vendors will do, while those
    who can't will keep the status quo.

    And then we're likely to be better off.

    > I realize that you have accepted the FSF credo, but if you want that
    > conversation to go anywhere you have to separate the things you
    > believe in from the things you can rationally explain.

    I've already explained what the spirit of the GPL is.

    I've already explained that the anti-Tivoization provision is in line
    with it.

    I've already asked in what sense Tivoization makes for a better
    tit-for-tat, and got no reply whatsoever, rational or otherwise.

    I have already hinted at why it makes things worse.

    You don't have to believe what I believe to analyze the arguments
    rationally, just like I don't have to believe what you believe to
    analyze your arguments rationally.

    We may still get to different conclusions as to what is better, if we
    have different values guiding us.

    But whatever conclusion you arrive at won't change the plain fact that
    Tivoization is against the spirit of the GPL, because it is a means to
    restrict users' freedoms that the GPL is designed to defend.

    It's really this simple. I'm not trying to convince you of anything
    other than that the spirit of the GPL is not being changed at all.
    You don't have to agree with that spirit in order to accept this
    simple fact. And while people keep on spreading this lie, I'll be
    inclined to point out that it's false.

    See, this is not about promoting GPLv3, or "pushing it down your
    throats", as some have claimed. This feeling is just a symptom of the
    high rejection for the FSF ideology, that appears to blind so many
    smart people from rational reasoning on matters that touch the FSF

    This is not even about showing that the letter of GPLv2 prohibited
    Tivoization. My arguments concerning Tivoization were all about the
    spirit of the license, and unfortunately so many people seem unable to
    tell the spirit from the letter that they keep on moving the
    discussion to legal technicalities, and then they shoot straw men and
    feel happy that they shot an argument. But the argument stands
    untouched, and the straw man was already dead before. Wasted time.

    As far as I'm concerned, Linux is released under GPLv2, and that's a
    good thing. It's unlikely to change. I wish it changed for better,
    but that's just me, and my contributions to Linux in term of code are
    really minimal. I have no say on that.

    But as someone involved in the GPLv3 development, it saddens me when
    people lie about it. I feel it's my moral obligation to set the
    record straight. And that's what I've been trying to do.

    Alexandre Oliva
    FSF Latin America Board Member
    Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{,}
    Free Software Evangelist oliva@{,}
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