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    SubjectRe: Free Linux Driver Development!
    On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 10:15:20PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
    > Le mercredi 31 janvier 2007 ?? 12:12 -0800, Greg KH a ??crit :
    > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 02:06:32PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
    > [Reordering for the sake of argument]
    > > > There are many out-of-tree drivers (ivtv, lirc, various webcam
    > > > drivers,
    > > > enhanced USB keyboard handlers...) with merging not planified or taking
    > > > ages.
    > >
    > > See my above comment about lirc. As for the others, everyone knows
    > > where we are at, and what the critera is for getting their code into the
    > > tree, so it's not like we are hiding anywhere :)
    > The perception of many out-of-tree projects is "if I try to get in-tree
    > I'll be submitted to vicious review, and I'll have to fix the code my
    > myself, and that's assuming someone bothers to review it at all". What
    > you've just wrote is no different:
    > > we will gladly take any
    > > currently out-of-the-tree drivers into mainline, as long as they follow
    > > our rules and coding style issues, please do so.
    > In other words, getting an out-of-tree driver in is a major unrewarding
    > work commitment for its author (especially considering that if he was
    > familiar with good kernel coding, chances are he'd have worked in-tree
    > from the start, with an experimental driver)
    > Contrast it with "give us a partial NDAed spec and we'll write a driver
    > from scratch for you".

    Sometimes doing a driver from scratch is much less effort than trying to
    reengineer a badly designed and written driver to get it into the kernel

    Also, almost all out-of-tree driver authors know what they need to do to
    get the code into the kernel tree.

    Again, I've offered my services to many such groups in the past. A lot
    of them do get into the tree, and I'll continue to offer my services to
    do this.

    But again, that's not the main point of this announcement sorry.

    > You're asking way more of people that have a lot less resources than
    > hardware manufacturers. Many of those projects did try to get in-tree at
    > least once before giving up.

    Persistance is everything :)

    > Meanwhile you're asking for specs of hardware no Linux user has, because
    > no form of Linux support ever existed. This is a strange use of
    > resources.

    You are free to use your resources however you wish, and mine how I
    wish. Would you want it to be any other way? :)


    greg k-h
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