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    SubjectRe: [PATCH 0/3] Fix two PEIe hotplug issues
    Kristen Carlson Accardi wrote:
    > On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:09:45 -0400
    > Mark Lord <> wrote:
    >> Mark Lord wrote:
    >>> Fix PCIe Hotplug so that it works with ExpressCard slots on Dell notebooks
    >>> (and others?) in conjunction with the modparam of pciehp_force=1.
    >> To make things simpler for distro people, I'm contemplating another patch
    >> in this series, to allow something like: pciehp_force=2
    >> This would then *try* the ACPI BIOS calls, and only fall back to pcie_force=1
    >> if the BIOS support fails. This would be an ideal default for most desktop/notebook
    >> distros to consider using.
    >> Without this, they don't have any good choice: use the defaults, and things fail
    >> on the most popular brand of machines in the marketplace. Use pciehp_force=1,
    >> and they may break (?) on other brands.
    >> So a hybrid of the two seems best. Pity it couldn't be the default behaviour, though.
    >> Or could it? We're early enough in the 2.6.24 cycle for it..
    >> Opinions?
    > NAK! Absolutely no way will I take a patch that does this.

    No big deal. I personally don't have a distro to maintain,
    so no pain for me here.

    > I've been actually having philosophical issues with
    > even having pciehp_force as a module parameter at all. As I said before,
    > using pciehp_force violates the PCI spec.

    No, it just provides a way to use the hardware when the vendor
    didn't include BIOS functionality for it.

    These notebooks fully support hotplug in the external ExpressCard slot
    (which is the *whole point* of an external slot), and according to Dell
    they work just fine with that other OS. I don't use the "other OS" here,
    but the hardware also works just fine with Linux now.

    I'm guessing they just left out the BIOS functionality because
    it was one of the very first machines to market with such slots,
    and the BIOS wasn't mature enough. So they rely upon more easily
    updated software drivers instead. The only gotcha is they do specify
    that booting from the slot is not possible (because no BIOS support).

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