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SubjectRe: What still uses the block layer?
On Monday 15 October 2007 8:10:49 am James Bottomley wrote:
> OK, so could we get back to the original discussion? The question I
> think you meant to ask is "does SCSI use the block layer, and if so;
> how?"
> The answer is yes (just do an ls /sys/block on any scsi machine). The
> how is that it bascially uses the block layer as a service library (i.e.
> most SCSI services are built on top of those already provided by block).
> The email you cited was basically from our one area of confusion: SCSI
> and block both provide services to decode the SG_IO ioctl. This is
> partly historical; block and SCSI are very much intertwined; so much so
> that they both tend to drive each other's development. The programme
> over the last few years has been to identify features in SCSI that
> should be more generic (and hence moved to block). SG_IO is one of
> these, so we end up with the situation where Block provides this as a
> service (and sr, st and sd make use of it) while the sg driver still
> doesn't use what the block layer provides but rolls its own. I think
> the layout of how all this works is illustrated at a reasonably high
> level here on slide 15:

Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

> > However, the response to my attempts to express this dissatisfaction on
> > the SCSI list a few months ago came too close to a flamewar for me to
> > consider continuing it productive. I'd still love to update the "2.4
> > scsi howto" and corresponding sg howto, but lack the expertise. The SCSI
> > layer really isn't my area, and I was much happier back when I could
> > avoid using it at all.
> That was because your initial inquiry came across as "I'm trying to
> document this, and by the way it's rubbish".

Sorry about that. Not my intent. I was aiming more at "I'm trying to
document this and I don't understand how it works at all, or why it does
things this way. It seems backwards from what I would expect."

"One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code."
- Ken Thompson.
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