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    SubjectRe: When will the lunacy end? (Was Re: [PATCH] uswsusp: add pmops->{prepare,enter,finish} support (aka "platform mode"))
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    On Wednesday, 27 September 2006 01:05, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
    > Hi.
    >
    > On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 00:31 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
    > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 07:38:31AM +1000, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
    > > > Hi.
    > > >
    > > > On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 22:35 +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
    > > > > On Tuesday, 26 September 2006 22:14, Adrian Bunk wrote:
    > > > > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 12:45:00AM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
    > > > > > >...
    > > > > > > solid)
    > > > > > > apart from HIGHMEM64G fiasco, and related agpgart fiasco long
    > > > > > > time before that... these are driver problems...
    > > > > > >...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > One point that seems to be a bit forgotten is that driver problems do
    > > > > > actually matter a lot:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I for one do not care much whether I can abort suspending (I can always
    > > > > > resume) or whether dancing penguins are displayed during suspending -
    > > > > > but the fact that my saa7134 card only outputs the picture but no sound
    > > > > > after resuming from suspend-to-disk is a real show-stopper for me.
    > > >
    > > > Agreed that some things are more important than others. But to some
    > > > people, user interface does matter. After all, we want (well I want)
    > > > people considering converting from Windows to see that free software can
    > > > be better than proprietary stuff, not just imitate what they're doing.
    > > >
    > > > Suspend2 doesn't actually provide dancing penguins while suspending -
    > > > it's a simple progress bar in either pure text or overlayed on an image
    > > > of your choosing.
    > > >
    > > > The support for aborting is really just fall out from the work on
    > > > debugging and testing failure paths.
    > > >...
    > >
    > > Sorry if this sounded as if I was against improvements of suspend.
    > > That was not my intention.
    > >
    > > But as long as there are driver problems, suspend as a whole can not be
    > > called solid. The core itself might be solid or not, but without working
    > > drivers this doesn't buy users much.
    > >
    > > A user might be impressed by a progress bar on a nifty image, but if one
    > > or more of his drivers have problems with suspend the user won't get a
    > > good impression of Linux.
    > >
    > > How many driver problems with suspend are buried in emails and
    > > Bugzillas (will problems like kernel Bugzilla #6035 ever be debugged?)?
    >
    > I fully agree. One of the largest issues I'm regularly dealing with is
    > people reporting problems with drivers.

    Well, can we please have these reports forwarded to LKML or placed
    in the bugzilla?

    Greetings,
    Rafael


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