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    SubjectRe: ext3 corruption
    John Stoffel <> wrote:
    > >>>>> "Molle" == Molle Bestefich <> writes:
    > Molle> I guess the problem is that I don't know a single Linux
    > Molle> packaging system that actually works well enough to keep a
    > Molle> system up to date at all times, and I don't have any free time
    > Molle> to spend on reinstalling systems all the time.
    > Debian works the best in my experience. Yum sucks rocks, it's a pain
    > to configured and when it does pull in stuff, it pulls in *everything*
    > that you don't want.

    Right. Its called "dependencies", and if you don't get those, chances are
    it won't work. No Debian magic around that, I'm afraid. Sure, if all that
    ever changes is minor tweaks...

    > Not that apt-get is perfect, but it works well. My main machine at
    > home is an old Debian Stable install upgraded pretty much daily.
    > Rarely do things break. And rarely do you want packages updated
    > without you thinking about it.

    My machine here runs Fedora rawhide (can't get more bleeding edge). Rarely
    things break due to updating. The machines in the Lab here are Fedora,
    almost never anything breaks. Servers are CentOS, I can't remember anything
    ever breaking due to updates.


    > I tried gentoo a bunch of years ago and didn't like it, and it
    > certainly didn't give me the speedup it claimed it would have.

    Gentoo folks deceive themselves into "at least twice as fast because I
    compiled it myself"...

    > I've
    > been happy with Debian. Thinking about Ubuntu more...


    > Molle> And voila, that difficult task of assessing in which order to
    > Molle> do things is out of the hands of distros like Red Hat, and into
    > Molle> the hands of those people who actually make the binaries.
    > *bwah hah hah!* And you think they'll get it right? So what happens
    > when two packages, call them A and B, have a circular dependency on
    > each other? Who wins then?

    The kernel people are certainly not infallible either. And there are cases
    where the right order is A B C, and others in which it is C B A, and still
    others where it doesn't matter. No way to get it right always.

    > It's not as simple an issue as you think.

    Shoving it into the kernel certainly won't simplify it, quite the contrary
    by making it less amenable to hand-tweaking.
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