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SubjectRe: replacing X Window System !

You have also just made it easy for the rest of us to tell that you don't
actually follow linux GUI stuff very much at all. If you had you would
have known that the X folks finally went too far and forced a long needed
fork of the X code so the real work is being done on X.org
now and these days most of the good linux distros have changed over.

This is *not* a recent event.

Welcome to my killfile, please find a less annoying hobby for yourself.

Gerhard




On Thu, 18 May 2006, linux cbon wrote:

> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:31:08 +0200 (CEST)
> From: linux cbon <linuxcbon@yahoo.fr>
> To: Thierry Vignaud <tvignaud@mandriva.com>
> Cc: helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
> linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: replacing X Window System !
>
> --- Thierry Vignaud <tvignaud@mandriva.com> a écrit :
>
> > linux cbon <linuxcbon@yahoo.fr> writes:
> >
> > > Why dont we have "good" 3D support in X ?
> >
> > no documentation how to program nvidia 3d chips?
> > or for the very latest ati chips?
> > or from the XYZ vendor?
> > ....
>
>
> What do you think about this :
>
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=114738577123893&w=2
>
> But let me be clear -- the X developers are a bunch of
> shameless vendor-loving lapdogs who sure are taking
> their time at solving this > 10 year old problem!
> They spend way more time chasing the latest vendor
> binary loaded device driver, than they do solving this
> obvious
> problem. (Translation: They don't want to change how
> X works, because it would break the vendor binary
> drivers from ATI and NVIDIA. That is part of what
> happens when X developers get jobs at vendors).
>
> They've had 10 years, and yet every year they get more
> entrenched in the entirely insecure model of "gigantic
> process running as root, which accesses registers like
> mad".
>
> This problem is ENTIRELY the X group's fault! They
> have failed us. Ten years ago they were laughing at
> Microsoft for moving their video subsystem into their
> kernel, but now the joke is on the X developers,
> because what Microsoft did solved all these driver
> security problems!
>
> This is 100% an X server bug. It is not a hardware
> bug, and it is not an operating system bug.
>
>
> and this
>
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=114233317926101&w=2
>
> Some of our architectures use a tricky and horrid
> thing to allow X to run. This is due to modern PC
> video card architecture containing a large quantity of
> PURE EVIL. To get around this evil the X developers
> have done some rather expedient things, such as
> directly accessing the cards via IO registers,
> directly from userland. It is hard to see how they
> could have done other -- that is how much evil the
> cards contain.
>
>
> > "belong to the OS" != "belong in the kernel"
> > and where do you put the boundary of the OS? most
> > people don't say
> > that the OS is only the kernel...
>
> Dont play with words. You know I meant graphics do
> belong to the kernel. I didnt mean graphics belong to
> gnu tools.
>
>
> > like if xorg wasn't trying to improve x11 status
> > (slowly trying to
> > isolate priviliged stuff, introducing xcb, ...)
>
> See above.
>
>
> > > What is your opinion ?
> >
> > stop troll^h^h^h^h^h thread?
>
> If I am a troll, then who are Theo or Linus ?
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Gerhard Mack

gmack@innerfire.net

<>< As a computer I find your faith in technology amusing.
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