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    SubjectRe: Slightly OT: We should move linux related channels off of FreeNode
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    Patrick McFarland wrote:
    > Today lilo (the FreeNode network owner) has decided to make one step away in a
    > direction opposite of freedom, and banned all Tor users from the FreeNode
    > network.
    >
    > Tor ( http://tor.eff.org ) is an open source anonymous gateway system. Many
    > users who are not in the position to be able to use IRC otherwise (such as
    > those who live in countries who do not believe in free speech) now cannot use
    > Freenode any longer.

    How does tor.eff.org identify the oppressed users who have no other
    means of free speech from the flaming assholes who disrupt irc under the
    cloak of anonimity? Are you saying that there is no problem on freenode
    caused by these users, and this action is just a block for no reason
    other than a hatred of anonymous users?
    >
    > Do we want to use an IRC network that no longer supports freedom? Our only
    > option is to move to another network, such as irc.noderebellion.net or
    > irc.oftc.net. Channels such as #kernelnewbies have already moved to oftc due
    > to lilo's past actions.

    In what sense "moved?" There is a channel, there are lots of people
    there, they are discussing Linux, they are making sense... If you mean
    YOU have moved to a channel of the same name elsewhere, or that people
    you think are important, helpful, or whatever have moved, fine. But
    unlike some of the other channels which come up with a note saying they
    have moved, #kernelnewbies continues to exist and be used. By people
    willing to answer a question, even.

    Freedom of speech is an odd thing, people think that they have lost it
    if a publisher will not publish their material, however you define
    publisher and media. I don't personally believe it includes the right to
    force me to listen, or disrupt ongoing conversations.

    Both USEnet and E-Mail have been flooded by people claiming freedom of
    speech. In the battle to keep the Internet useful, there is collateral
    damage, and it sounds as if this is what's happening. You would be far
    more accurate to say that freenode has made a different balance between
    freedom for people willing to identify themselves and freedom for
    everyone without regard for their content. Terms like "no longer
    supports freedom" are not helpful.

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    -bill davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com)
    "The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
    last possible moment - but no longer" -me
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