Messages in this thread |  | | Date | Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:39:56 -0800 | From | "Randy.Dunlap" <> | Subject | Re: recommended mail clients [was] [PATCH] ati-agp suspend/resume support (try 2) |
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:33:09 -0800 Randy.Dunlap wrote:
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> > >>>>>>>>>> I use pine and evolution. Pine is text based and great when I > > >>>>>>>>>> ssh into > > >>>>>>>>>> my machine to work. Evolution is slow, but plays well with pine > > >>>>>>>>>> and it > > >>>>>>>>>> handles things needed for LKML very well. (the drop down menu > > >>>>>>>>>> "Normal" > > >>>>>>>>>> may be changed to "Preformat", which allows of inserting text > > >>>>>>>>>> files > > >>>>>>>>>> "as-is"). > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> This is also the way to do it with Thunderbird. It will do the right > > >>>>> thing (and disables all formatting changes such as line wrapping > > >>>>> to the > > >>>>> inserted text) if you select 'Preformat' before pasting in a patch > > >>>>> - at > > >>>>> least my Thunderbird 1.0.7 does this. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Dare I say it, KMail has also been doing the Right Thing for a > > >>>>>>>>> long time. > > >>>>>>>>> It will only line wrap things that you insert by typing; pastes > > >>>>>>>>> are left > > >>>>>>>>> untouched. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> It seems that of all the popular mail clients only Thunderbird has > > >>>>>>>> this > > >>>>>>>> problem. AFAICT it's impossible to make it DTRT with inline > > >>>>>>>> patches and > > >>>>>>>> even if it is the fact that most users get it wrong points to a > > >>>>>>>> serious > > >>>>>>>> usability/UI issue. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Would a patch to add "Don't use Thunderbird/Mozilla Mail" to > > >>>>>>>> SubmittingPatches be accepted? Then we can point the Mozilla > > >>>>>>>> developers > > >>>>>>>> at it (they have shown zero interest in fixing the problem so far) > > >>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>> hopefully this will light a fire under someone. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Fundamentally the issue with Thunderbird is that it line-wraps > > >>>>>>> AFTER you compose an email, not during composition. I've never > > >>>>>>> understood how, or why this is useful to the end user, except for > > >>>>>>> composing HTML emails (which should be banned anyway). > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Thunderbird will not linewrap anything that is inserted in > > >>>>> 'Preformat' mode. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>> Thunderbird is Yet Another mailer that could have been a good piece > > >>>>>>> of software if it hadn't attempted to be a clone of Outlook Express > > >>>>>>> (defaulting to Top Posting, HTML composition, line wrapping > > >>>>>>> pastes). > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> It's the mindset; fixing Thunderbird is probably easy, but > > >>>>>>> convincing the Mozilla developers to include such "fixes" is > > >>>>>>> probably much harder. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Should be trivial to fix, when the user puts the editor into > > >>>>>> "Preformat" > > >>>>>> mode or inserts a text file you surround it with <pre> tags. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Fix the user behaviour you mean? Get them to select 'Preformat' > > >>>>> before > > >>>>> pasting patches into Thunderbird. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> In my thunderbird, the "Paste Without Formatting" mode seems to be > > >>>> continually grayed out (i.e. unavailable). I couldn't find anything > > >>>> in the preferences that altered this situation. What's the secret? > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> I'm selecting 'Preformat' in the email compose window and using regular > > >>> X Paste (middle button) - and it works for me (I can save the resulting > > >>> message to a .eml and diff it against the patch and it is perfect). > > >>> Perhaps the Debian/Sid Thunderbird has some patch? Don't know. > > >> > > >> > > >> so where is this 'Preformat' option? I don't see it. > > > > > > > > > Nor me. > > > > > It is a drop down box in the Compose window just below the subject field > > on the left (intially says "Body Text"). > > However, if one has disabled "Compose messages in HTML format", > that drop-down list does not show up. > So does this generate an HTML email, using <preformat> or <tt> etc.? > If so, still bad. I'll test it to myself.
Looks good. Preserves tabs and spaces. Not HTML email. Thanks.
> > If you haven't got the rich text Compose enabled (not sure how you > > disable/enable this but it was an option in Mozilla Mail) you can hold > > down shift when you click 'Write'. > > > > I'm running Debian/Sid Thunderbird 1.0.7 BTW.
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