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    SubjectRe: GNU/Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario
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    On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 12:06:54AM -0700, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
    > Richard M. Stallman wrote:
    >
    > > > No proprietary software here, excluding things such as firmware/BIOS
    > > where
    > > > there is no choice.
    > >
    > > Why 'excluding'? You can't deny you are using proprietary software.
    > > Neither do us.
    > >
    > >The FSF chose, for its newest server, a machine that supports a
    > >free BIOS. You can make such choices too.
    > >
    > >We are also trying to help the work to support free BIOS on a laptop
    > >so that my next laptop can run a free BIOS. There are surely ways you
    > >can help, too, if you want to be constructive.
    > >
    > >
    > "constructive" is a for profit model that sustains the hi tech
    > industry. The current
    > models have created a conduit for socialist disintegration of the
    > american hi tech
    > markets, loss of jobs, and have funnelled technology out of the
    > country. Legal

    The hi-tech industry can sustain itself just fine selling _hardware_.
    Wether it does so from America or elsewhere isn't all that interesting,
    although it may be an indication of wich countries that have
    competitive advantages - and which have disadvantages. Open source
    software is not a problem here, it certainly takes a bite out of
    _software_ markets but the effect is the same on every country.
    It is generally a good thing, not having to pay for software
    means more money for hardware (or non-computer stuff.) The money
    is still spent though - so no ill effects for the economy. But
    a nice effect for users - who gets more "other stuff" without
    loosing software.


    > defense funds should be the biggest red flags of all. If this system
    > you devised really
    > works, why all the litigation? Why all the need for legal defense funds
    > and patent
    > infringement insurance?

    Isn't that something that you have to have in american business today,
    wether you run the FSF or some more ordinary company?

    > I've watched the entire market slowly collapse
    > over the years
    > as the result of the affect of the GPL on America's hi tech markets.
    >
    Really? 90% still uses windows, it is not as if paid software
    dwindled much yet . . .

    > It isn't working, and it isn't sustainable. non-profit and "temples" of

    Certainly sustainable. You can usually not make a living programming free
    sw _only_, but there is support, there is hw sales, there is working
    with something different having free sw as a hobby only.

    > GPL "religion"
    > have evolved, with the leaders living in orgnaizations that subsist from
    > handouts and
    > donations. This movement has spawned a global attitude that has no
    > respect
    > for IP rights, and it's extended itself to no respect for human rights,
    > or any other rights
    > of the indivdual. That's the legacy this has left and the ultimate
    > conclusion.

    Less respect for IP rights - possibly. Perhaps that's a good thing though,
    some of us thinks such rights are a bit overrated.

    Helge Hafting
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