On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Glauber de Oliveira Costa wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 10:20:07PM +0100, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Glauber de Oliveira Costa wrote:
>>>>> I've just noticed that the use of sb_getblk differs between locations
>>>>> inside the kernel. To be precise, in some locations there are tests
>>>>> against its return value, and in some places there are not.
>>>>>
>>>>> According to the comments in __getblk definition, the tests are not
>>>>> necessary, as the function always return a buffer_head (maybe a wrong
>>>>> one),
>>>>
>>>> If you had read the source code rather than just the comments you would
>>>> have seen that this is not true.  It can return NULL (see
>>>> fs/buffer.c::__getblk_slow()).  Certainly I would prefer to keep the
>>>> checks in NTFS, please.  They may only be good for catching bugs but I
>>>> like catching bugs rather than segfaulting due to a NULL dereference.
>>
>> The check should be rather a BUG() than dump_stack() and return NULL --- I
>> think it's not right to write code to recover from programming errors.
>
> Why programming errors?  It could be faulty memory or other corruption,
> perhaps even caused by a different driver altogether (e.g. I found a bug
> in ntfs last week which caused it to memset() to zero a random location in
> memory of a random size and it caused a lot of strange effects like my

You are lucky that it didn't hit buffers with inode table or something 
like that.

> shell suddenly exiting and me being left on the login prompt...).  Also it
> could be that the function one day changes and it can return NULL.  It is
> far safer to do checking than to make assumptions about not being able to
> return NULL.

It is safest to panic() in case of overwriting random blocks of memory --- 
not even oops or BUG() but panic... --- you lose your running processes in 
that case but at least you won't lose anything on disk. I got inode table 
corrupted because of a completely unrelated bug (luckily it hit the part 
with /dev/ nodes that were easy to recreate --- if it hit some real 
important directory, I would have to reinstall).

>> Filesystem drivers are supposed to pass correct blocksize to getblk(). ---
>> even for users it's better to crash, because user whose machine has locked up
>> on BUG() will report bug more likely than user whose machine has written stack
>> dump into log and corrupted filesystem --- by the time he discovers the
>> corruption and mesage he might not even remember what triggered it.
>>
>> As comment in buffer.c says, getblk will deadlock if the machine is out of
>> memory. It is questionable whether to deadlock or return NULL and corrupt
>> filesystem in this case --- deadlock is probably better.
>
> What do you mean corrupt filesystem?  If a filesystem is written so badly
> that it will cause corruption when a NULL is returned somewhere, I
> certainly don't want to have anything to do with it.

What should a filesystem driver do if it can't suddenly read or write any 
blocks on media?

> Going BUG() is generally a bad thing if the error can be recovered from.
> Certainly all my code attempts to recover from all error conditions it can
> possibly encounter.
>
> I would much rather see NULL and then handle the error gracefully with an
> error message than go BUG().  You can then still umount and remove the fs
> module and everything works fine (you may need an fsck you may not depends
> on how good your error handling is).  If you do a BUG() you are guaranteed
> to cause corruption...
> 
> I only use BUG() when something really cannot happen unless there is a 
> bug in which case I want to know it...

Of course, this "can't happen unless there is a bug" is exactly the case 
of __getblk_slow().

Mikulas

> Best regards,
>
> 	Anton
> -- 
> Anton Altaparmakov <aia21 at cam.ac.uk> (replace at with @)
> Unix Support, Computing Service, University of Cambridge, CB2 3QH, UK
> Linux NTFS maintainer / IRC: #ntfs on irc.freenode.net
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>
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