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    SubjectRe: silent semantic changes with reiser4
    On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 02:17:03PM -0400, Horst von Brand wrote:
    > Helge Hafting <> said:
    > > Matt Mackall wrote:
    > [...]
    > > >Find some silly person with an iBook and open a shell on OS X. Use cp
    > > >to copy a file with a resource fork. Oh look, the Finder has no idea
    > > >what the new file is, even though it looks exactly identical in the
    > > >shell. Isn't that _wonderful_?
    > > It is what I'd expect.
    > Great. That means that all the tools of the trade stop working. Sounds like
    > show-killer feature to me.
    All wrong. Feel free to dislike the concept all you want, but don't provide
    false arguments. I am sure you can think up some _good_ ones, if
    you feel so strongly about this.

    _No_ tool "stop working" with such a fs. Of course the new
    feature (file-as-directory) may not be supported - which is a problem
    only for files that use the new feature. Stick a lot of ordinary
    files and directories in such a fs, and the tools works as before
    with no breakage. People obviously won't deploy new features before
    they are useable - the fs have to come first. Then the tools,
    and widespread use only after that. This is similiar to other extensions
    like ACLs which many tools don't understand. They're still useable though.

    Of course file-as-directory can have pilot uses like the often
    mentioned thumbnails - because it doesn't matter if those aren't
    backed up or get lost at random during the experimental phase.

    > > Now, use cp -R to copy the file
    > > _with its directory_,
    > Either it is a file or a directory. Make up your mind.

    Wrong again. The file-as-directory concept means that
    a filename refers to something that is a file, or a directory,
    or both. That's the point of it. Being both isn't
    possible with current filesystems (except reiser4) of course,
    but file-as-directory is a proposed _extension_.

    > If you have no clear
    > distinction, you'll only get messed up. Badly.
    The distinction is clear enough - three options instead of two.

    > Excuse me, I must grab my sickness bag here.

    Oh, very impressive. Please take a look at what we're talking
    about before attacking.

    Helge Hafting

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