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SubjectRe: [PATCH] clarify message and give support contact for non-GPL modules
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On May 1, 2004, at 8:22 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> So I'm not claiming that _you_ don't give anything back. It's purely
> about
> the module, which is not giving anything back to developers, and as
> such
> you shouldn't expect us to respect it.

The HSF modules give back what they can right now, which is all
operating system source, in an attempt to strike a reasonable
compromise.

>
>> The modules in question are not binary-only, but mixed source/binary.
>> With the submitted patch, we are also offering to take as much support
>> burden off the community by clarifying the messages to explicitly
>> direct users to where they should go for help when using third-party
>> modules.
>
> Yes, I think that patch in general makes sense.

ok

> But I literally _do_ want
> people to be alarmed about tainting, because it's a DAMN BIG issue.
> Suddenly you go from a system that is openly supported by a lot of
> individuals and a number of companies, to one that is not. It's
> literally
> the difference between "open" and "proprietary", and that is an
> IMPORTANT
> difference.

Understood. So perhaps we should call it "open" and "proprietary" which
are clear, well known words. "tainted" is honestly confusing/hard to
understand for many ordinary users, especially international/non-native
speakers who do not encounter the word that often (thankfully ;-).

>
> So I don't see how you can really try to minimize that HUGE difference,
> without effectively saying that you don't respect the work and the
> ethics
> that have gone into Linux in the first place.
>
> See what I'm saying? A proprietary module is more a fundamental issue
> than
> you seem to give it credit for being, and users should be told in big
> blinking neon letters about it.

Yes, I see what you are saying and agree that the user should be told
*once* about the proprietary module, but I don't know how you will
manage to make it look like blinking neon from within the kernel ;-)

Marc

>
> Linus
>

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