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    SubjectRe: [PATCH] clarify message and give support contact for non-GPL modules

    On May 1, 2004, at 8:22 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
    > So I'm not claiming that _you_ don't give anything back. It's purely
    > about
    > the module, which is not giving anything back to developers, and as
    > such
    > you shouldn't expect us to respect it.

    The HSF modules give back what they can right now, which is all
    operating system source, in an attempt to strike a reasonable

    >> The modules in question are not binary-only, but mixed source/binary.
    >> With the submitted patch, we are also offering to take as much support
    >> burden off the community by clarifying the messages to explicitly
    >> direct users to where they should go for help when using third-party
    >> modules.
    > Yes, I think that patch in general makes sense.


    > But I literally _do_ want
    > people to be alarmed about tainting, because it's a DAMN BIG issue.
    > Suddenly you go from a system that is openly supported by a lot of
    > individuals and a number of companies, to one that is not. It's
    > literally
    > the difference between "open" and "proprietary", and that is an
    > difference.

    Understood. So perhaps we should call it "open" and "proprietary" which
    are clear, well known words. "tainted" is honestly confusing/hard to
    understand for many ordinary users, especially international/non-native
    speakers who do not encounter the word that often (thankfully ;-).

    > So I don't see how you can really try to minimize that HUGE difference,
    > without effectively saying that you don't respect the work and the
    > ethics
    > that have gone into Linux in the first place.
    > See what I'm saying? A proprietary module is more a fundamental issue
    > than
    > you seem to give it credit for being, and users should be told in big
    > blinking neon letters about it.

    Yes, I see what you are saying and agree that the user should be told
    *once* about the proprietary module, but I don't know how you will
    manage to make it look like blinking neon from within the kernel ;-)


    > Linus

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