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SubjectRe: Input issues - key down with no key up
On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 09:46:04AM +0200, Andries Brouwer wrote:

> > I have a notebook (Dell Latitude D800) which has some keys (actual
> > fn+something combinations) that generate Down events but no Up events
> > (clever, isn't it).
> >
> > This makes those keys unusable with 2.6.0 as it is because the input
> > layer insists on there being up events. Once it sees a down, it will
> > ignore any future down events until it sees an up event. It will
> > also auto-repeat the key until some other key is pressed. On the
> > whole, not very useful for these keys.
> >
> > After some thought, the simplest way I could think of to fix it was
> > to have a bitmap of keys that don't generate up events themselves.
> I think we should go for a much simpler fix: only enable the timer-induced
> repeat when the user asks for that (say, by boot parameter).
> The keyboard already knows which keys repeat and which don't.

That won't solve it - the key, while not repeating would be still
considered 'down' by the kernel and any more pressing of the key
wouldn't do anything.

> If we forget about the kernel-invented repetition, we solve, I suppose,
> the problems of those people who see impossibly fast repeat, and
> also your problem.

Only for those with PS/2 keyboards. We still need the kernel repeat for
all other kinds of keyboards. And the impossibly fast repeat problem
actually needs solving elsewhere - it's a bad interaction betwen ACPI
and kernel timer, and that'll cause more trouble than just fast repeat.

> Your solution, which involves an ioctl, would force changes to user space.
> Too inconvenient.

My proposed solution is to do an input_report_key(pressed) immediately
followed by input_report_key(released) for these keys straight in
atkbd.c. Possibly based on some flag in the scancode->keycode table for
that scancode.

> [By the way, I am a collector of data on strange keyboards - could you
> on a 2.4 system use showkey -s and tell me about the combinations
> without Up events? -]

Vojtech Pavlik
SuSE Labs, SuSE CR
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