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    SubjectRe: [ANNOUNCE] BK->CVS (real time mirror)
    On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 03:45:39PM -0600, Kai Germaschewski wrote:
    > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Larry McVoy wrote:
    > > > Larry, this brings up something I was meaning to ask you before this
    > > > thread exploded. What happens to those "logical change" numbers over
    > > > time?
    > >
    > > They are stable in the CVS tree because the CVS tree isn't distributed.
    > > So "Logical change 1.900" in the context of the exported CVS tree is
    > > always the same thing. That's one advantage centralized has, things
    > > don't shift around on you.
    > Isn't there a more general problem, though? (I hope I'm wrong)
    > You want to update the CVS tree near-realtime. However, the longest-path
    > through your graph may change with new merges, but CVS of course cannot
    > cope with already committed data changing (already committed csets may
    > all of a sudden not be in the longest path anymore)? This is a CVS
    > limitation, of course, but still a problem AFAICS.

    Yup, you're right, there is a tradeoff between real time updates and
    best path. We've already seen it in incremental updates.

    We were talking about this internally when your mail came in. I suspect
    it isn't really a problem in practice because we can always redo the
    entire export from scratch and get an optimal path.

    Wayne pointed out that in the cases where it collapses a pile of csets
    that is usually because Linus pulled some wad from somebody and one could
    argue the collapse is a good thing. But it depends, sometimes it is and
    sometimes it isn't. Our commercial users have frequently asked for a
    way to "collapse the tree and clean up the noise in the graphs", in fact,
    one called this morning and said "that BK to CVS thing, could that be a BK
    to cleaner-BK thing?" so opinions vary on what is the perfect granularity.

    My belief is that the real time updates is something that people value
    more than the granularity. You guys can vote and if you reach agreement
    we'll do what you want.
    Larry McVoy lm at
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